The courts - based on laws, treaties and the Constitution.
Bush Admits Secret Prisons
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Daisy, Sep 6, 2006.
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For those who need a course in the constitution, having secret prisons is not a violation, I don't believe. Furthermore, Galatian's example from Guantanamo Bay is self-defeating for him since it showed that they were not being held without cause. They were captured on a battlefield, and held until a tribunal freed them.
Furthermore, those who are not American citizens have no constitutional rights, especially when they are enemies of this country. -
Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Just like our Bible.
We don't treat non-Christians differently than we treat our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.
We shouldn't treat non-Americans differently than we treat our fellow Americans.
I don't have the words or the intelligence, to convey what I'm trying to say. All I ask is that you step back for a moment and ask the question, "Is this how I want people to remember America fifty years from now?" -
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Actually, i am correct. There is a reason why people living in other countries follow their own constitutions. they are not covered by ours. This is so elementary it's unbelievable. Those captured on a battlefield as citizens and combatants of a foreign country do not have constitutional rights under our constitution.
I should have said 'citizens and legal residents." There are legal residents of the US who also have constitutional rights. The point is that they don't apply to people living in other countries under other jurisdictions.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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They would, if anything, be subject to the laws and courts and constitutions of the countries in which they are imprisoned. -
Wouldn't the people running and working in those prisons also be subject to those countries' laws? -
From the First Amendment Center online at:
http://www.fac.org/analysis.aspx?id=16752&printer-friendly=y
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Where do you get your info in those held in secret prisons kidnaped?
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And as far as America 50 years from now, I don't believe America will be around 50 years from now being as too many people who want to destroy us have nukes or can get their hands on them. At any rate, most of us posting on this board won't be around 50 years from now anyway. So who cares....:sleep: -
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Originally Posted by carpro
Our laws and courts and Constitution do not apply to foreign individuals held in foreign lands.
They would, if anything, be subject to the laws and courts and constitutions of the countries in which they are imprisoned.
Could be the ones operating and running those prisons are locals and if not, are breaking no local laws. -
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As I said, I'm not intelligent enough to convey what I'm trying to say; but I think you changed the context of the discussion when you said "I should have said 'citizens and legal residents.'"
And I don't want stricter adherence to the Constitution than to the Bible; I want the same standard. That was a poor assumption on your part, especially since you don't know diddly about me except what you've read on these few posts.
It's a fine line we're walking, folks. Just be sure we understand all the risks. We've already crossed the line with wire-tapping and other procedures. How much more before we say, "wait, that's too much"? -
Why are you making things up? -
Gold Dragon Well-Known Member
I'm curious. Is foreign land used for US military bases considered US land? What laws govern soldiers and activities on those bases? US consulates on foreign soil are US land but I'm wondering about military installations. US secret prisons should probably be equivalent to military bases in this regard.
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Why are you accusing me of "making things up" when I was obviously asking a question? I have an opinion on why you are, but it would be preferable if you could clear that up.
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