can A baptist Believe In Theistic Evolution?

Steadfast—well I could play devil’s advocate & act like I somehow support TE & debate you—but I just cant bring myself to do it—b/c I don’t endorse it & I do agree with you—but I would recommend reading Wayne Grudem’s chapter on the issue in his Systematic Theology. He is a literal 6 day creationist, but after reading his chapter I personally had much more respect for other possible alternatives. There is also a good chapter in Understanding Christian Theology, by Robert Pyne who is also a literal 6 day creationist---but admits the issue is not a clear cut as many try to make it.

 

DHK—I think you missed my point---I was getting at how God is not limited to time—& since God was only present at the creation—we really cant know for certain what time scale He was working on. (Although as I’ve already said—I think the number connection to Yom favors a 24-hour day)

 

DHK

If proper hermeneutics is desired-- you might want to rethink that statement. Is it most commonly refer to a 24 hour day with numeral—yes—Does it 100% always refer to 24 hour day with numeral---no! But I think I’m about to drop out of this debate b/c I tend to be arguing more with the people who I actually agree with—lol—remember I am a literal 6 day creationist!

 

When one reads the Book of Genesis, one must remember that while it is called the Book of Beginnings and thus a book of history, one must also remember that the author of the book (Moses) did not exist at the time of creation. Moses was not born until more than 2400 years after the earth was created.

Moses would have written the book in such a way that employed the language of his era. So the question would be, what did the people of Moses' day understand the word 'yom' to mean?

In all of Moses' writings, does he at all indicate that the word 'yom' is used differently when speaking of time frames? I cannot find such a time when he indicates that 'yom' is used to denote something other than a day.

That said, one would have to go back to the argument that if 'yom' in Genesis 1:5ff means millions of years, then it must also be millions of years in Genesis 21 and in Deuteronomy 27:11 and in other instances throughout the Pentateuch.

 

preachinjesus, I am confessional not creedal. (At least with respect to the distinctions in the following article).

http://www.baptiststandard.com/2000/6_26/pages/confessions.html

 

FTR: Yes to all.

 

Then I shall call Quantum "Corleone" Faith...;)

btw, that whole post was supposed to be ironic because we all know Baptists are confessional and not creedal. Perhaps my vocal inflection didn't carry through my keyboard. :)

 

It doesn't matter if you answer yes to all that or not. You aren't a Baptist. The forum rules clearly state that you can't post in these forums. I thought I was carrying on a debate with a Baptist, had I knows you were non-denom I wouldn't have wasted my time.

 

Please, dont waste any more of your precious time.

 

Unless it is also a "waste of your time", you will have to help me out "Corleone Faith" ???

 

I have been reading the article and I do believe I am getting closer to the TE paradigm, perhaps it is the way I view Scripture as not being written to us directly but for us. I changed to partial Preterism because I came to that realization and I suspect that I will come to TE much the same way.

I think it's easy to forget the initial audience when reading Scriptures and we just assume a lot, we assume because it says something in English that it is literal but different cultures at different times understand things differently

 

Matt, You are not the one to make that judgment call. Quantum's profile clearly states that his denomination is Baptist. Why the witch hunt? Lay this matter to rest please.

 

Quantum, the Ignore feature is a good tool. You have the technology, use it.

 

Please folks, just address the OP from here on in, or I will be forced to close this thread.

 

Not familiar with the ignore function, will try to find it and put it to use. Thank you.

 

It would seem to me that anyone can believe a whole bunch of things. being a baptist has little to do with it. Now if that baptist is truly saved and believes what the Bible says. They most likely wouldn't even consider it
MB

 

For a thousand years in your sight are but as yesterday when it is past, or as a watch in the night.
Psalm 90:4 (ESV)

Rob

 

One, the verse is not used with a number describing it, which Fred should have indicated.
Two, that verse cannot be used to indicate time as in a 24 hour day, as it only describes the timelessness of God.

 

Psalms were not the writings of Moses. The first of the Psalms were written at least 300-400 years after Moses In the 300-400 years after Moses, the definition of 'yom' could have changed drastically, just as the word 'gay' changed drastically in less than 100 years.

Also, Psalm 90 says that a thousand years is like yesterday... not in the sight of man, but in the sight of God.

 

It's never a waste of time around here. Apologies I think my attempt to add levity to a super-charged thread didn't work. :saint:

These guys were asking if you could prove you're "Baptist" enough. I threw something out that I thought would be helpful for you but clearly it wasn't.

I hate it when my vocal inflection doesn't come through my keyboard. :BangHead:

A couple of weeks ago at a Bible study one of our more, um, fundamental brothers got hot and bothered by something somebody said that had little to do with actual Christianity. He accused the guy of being heterodox and not a believer. The other guy didn't know what to do so I started asking him the same questions I asked you. Towards the end I just recited the baptism ceremony from the Godfather...it was humorous for the guys in our group...tried it here and it didn't work. Apologies for my silliness.

No offense intended. :flower: