Then why does God call us to Repentance? Why would the men in Acts 2 say " Men and Brethren What shall WE do and why would Peter say "Repent"?
Repentance is very much a work on our part, or perhaps I should say an Act of Faith!
Can CoC be considered Christian?
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Thinkingstuff, Aug 14, 2009.
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How can a person genuinely believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, and not immediately repent of living out of harmony with His will? It is impossible.
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Who is the "he" that Christ is referring to? He is referring to himself: the Messiah, the second person of the triune Godhead, the Creator and sustainer of all things--God Almighty Himself. They rejected God in the flesh.
The "he" is not Allah. It is Christ, the second person of the triune Godhead, the God of the Bible. He is not Buddha, or Vishna, or Brahma, or any other number of false gods. He is Jesus Christ, the author and finisher of our faith. If one does not believe in the right God, then one cannot have salvation.
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Nobody said repentance is a work apart from faith, yet it is a work done in faith yet still a work that leads one to receive the blessing from God of having our past sins remitted. -
You may not have liked the answer, but I answered it.
Just because you do not like the answer does not mean that you get to claim I did not answer it.
He asked the question; you did not. You do not get to determine the suitability of our answers to it.
I might add that there are many questions direct to you that you outright dodge. Many of us have noticed this. You do it routinely. For you to accuse anyone of dodging questions is certainly not befitting. -
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All that stuff that JSM17 is saying about how the one true church has to look and behave a certain way is called Patternism, a concept that the more progressive coC churches reject. -
Jesus said I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Rev 1:8)
DHK, now that we have that out of the way, please tell me where it says we have to beleive in the Trinity or a Triune Godhead.
The only thing you said before in all your post is that all we have to do is believe in Jesus and put our faith in him. Please show me where I must believe in the Trinity to be saved or to be a Christian!
I believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Am I a Christian? I have put my Complete faith in Jesus! According to that confession, am I a saved Christian? -
Darron, I agree! Repentance is part of faith! We are commanded to Repent! Baptism is just as much a part of Faith as Repentance! We are commanded to be baptized as well!
Repentance is a result of Gods grace upon us! God does not repent for us. It's somthing we have to do our selves. Paul said in 2 Corth 7:10 that Godly Sorrow worketh Repentance! That means that God will convict us, but it depends on our obedience or Actions whether or not we will listen to Gods calling!
That's what happened on the Day of Pentecost. Peter preached Jesus to the people and how they cruesified him and the bible says "They were pricked in their heart".
Pricked means
1) to prick, pierce
2) metaph. to pain the mind sharply, agitate it vehemently
a) esp. of the emotion of sorrow
This is an example of Godly Sorrow! God opened their understanding and convicted them. Now that they believed in Jesus, they can Repent! They can now do THEIR Part! What shall WE DO
And Peter tells them Repent and... -
A person repents the moment that s/he genuinely believes that Jesus Christ is Lord.
One cannot be baptized the same moment that we believe.
Therefore, baptism must be separate from faith.
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I will challenge you to show me in the bible where we repent the moment we believe! -
Then you turn right around and disagree, holding that a person can be a believer without repenting.
Which is it? In your view, is repentance a part of faith, or not?
I do not have time for games. Pick your genuine position, and let me know. -
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Do you understand who God is; who Christ is? If you don't know who Christ is, then how do you know that you are believing in the right "Christ"?
Sun Myung Moon claims to be Jesus Christ. Did you put your faith in him?
How do you or we know? Unless Christ is defined by the Bible (as the second person of the trinity), as the one that you have put your faith in, then perhaps you have put your faith in a false Christ, perhaps it is in Mr. Moon himself??
1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
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I think the point is that WE repent, WE do the repenting, regardless of whether or not it is instantaneous when we believe, or a few seconds later, or days or weeks later. It is still something that WE do, just like being immersed. Both are responses from faith, or faith in action. -
Repentance is part of faith, I do not disagree with you there. If you reread my post it should be clear of what I'm trying to say.
What I begged to differ was that you said a person repents The Moment they believe. That is what I was disagreeing with.
No one is playing games. My genuine position is this so there is no room for ambiguity. I believe that Repentance is an Act of Faith. However, I do not believe a person has repented just because he believes. Repentance is a seperate experience from believing! -
You first agreed with me that repentance is part of faith, that faith includes repentance.
Then you turned right around and claimed that a person can believe without having repented. Hence, faith does not include repentance.
I think you finally decided on a position. Emphasis mine:
Hence, your real position is that faith does not include repentance.
It also boggles my mind that you hold it. How anyone can assert that a person can truly believe that Jesus Christ is Lord without having repented of living out of harmony with His will is beyond me.
I mean, if a person still thinks s/he can live out of harmony with His will if s/he wishes, there is no way that s/he really believes He is Lord. Without repentance, there is no faith on Jesus Christ, and the person is NOT a believer.
Scripture knows of no such notion: "believers" who still think they can live out of harmony with His will. In Scripture, all "believers" were people who had submitted their lives to be followers of Jesus Christ.
So it is amazing to me that anyone will talk about repentance as a separate thing from faith. -
I do not believe in Sun Myung Moon, I believe in the Jesus Christ of the New Testament. The one who died, was buried and raised from the dead.
DHK, you refuse to show me where we must believe in the Trinity though. Show me where it says we have to believe that he is the 2nd person to be saved.
The only thing that I'm told to believe is that he is the I AM.
Please answer my question! Does the bible specifically say we have to beleive in the Trinity to be saved or to be a Christian? Yes or NO! Please don't throw back questions trying to answer my question.
Technacally speaking, if the 3 are 1 if I beleive in Jesus, I believe in the Father, If I beleive in Jesus, I believe in the Spirit, If I beleive in the Spirit I believe in the Father, and the word! John 14:23 beautifully says that if we Love Jesus we will keep his words. IF we keep his words the Father Loves us and would come and make their abode in us!
If we believe in Jesus, we believe in the Father already! If we do not beleive in Jesus we have rejected the Father! Mar 9:37 Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me. When we recieve Jesus, we really receive the Father!
But again please answer my question with a simple yes or no. Does the bible say that we must believe in the Trinity to be saved or to be considered a Christian.
Again I will ask for a simple yes/no answer. Does the bible specifically say that we must beleive that he is the second person!
DHK, I have done this. I was even baptized to show that I did this. It was an outward confession of my faith (I beleive that's your reason for baptisim). I would say according to you, I'm saved.
According to what I have confessed. Am I a saved Christian? -
Sun Myung Moon?! This thread is just getting ridiculous...:rolleyes:
In XC
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Matthew 24:23-24 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
The Bible teaches that Christ is the second person of the triune Godhead. If one is putting their trust in some other Christ, then is he saved? -
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