Evil men may lie and get away with it for a season but that does not mean they will escape trouble. While I thank you for your encouragement, regarding my "hermeneutic" in kind response, I'll encourage you to believe the words of the Lord our God.
Childlessness is rebellion against God
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Ps104_33, Mar 15, 2007.
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Skimming over the last few pages of this thread, I appreciate some of the points of concern that some of my BB friends such as Magnetic Poles, annsni, Joshua Rhodes, and Bible-Boy have brought up. [BTW, Bible-Boy, love your avatar!! Is your family of Scottish heritage too?]
I agree that the "Train up a child" passage in Proverbs is not a 100%, in-all-cases-without-exception, iron clad guarantee.
I know several very dedicated Christian parents who did all that they could to raise their children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord only to have some of their children totally reject their parents' teaching.
Also, I do not believe God's curse is upon Christian couples who for medical reasons cannot bear children.
While some of these couples have gone on to adopt children, in the strictest sense that isn't really "multiplying and filling the earth" since they had nothing to do with that child's birth. -
Yep, Clan MacThomas! And you?
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Bible-boy --See my PM to you about being Scottish.
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But I think these situations are a WORLD of difference between wanting yet not having a child, and someone who just doesn't want a child for whatever reason. I can almost understand someone who had major medical issues (such as passing on cystic fibrosis - a family we know just lost their 3rd child to it - out of 4 kids), but to just say that someone doesn't want a child, then I think that's pretty selfish. But it's between them and God and God will do as He wills. Personally, I can't imagine not having my children - the things they've taught me, the way I've grown because of being a mother, the joy that they've brought to my life.
As for raising up my children, I'm bringing them up in the Lord and praying for them daily. I'm also leaving the results to God. No matter what I do, I cannot MAKE my kids choose God, although so far they have. We've done the best that we can and I have faith enough in God to help that effort to become their own walk with Him - but if they don't, that's not because of lack of effort on my or my husband's part. -
If we really believe that it is wrong and somehow limiting or circumventing God's will by not having one child, isn't it wrong to limit Him by not having two, or three, or four, or a dozen?
Seems that if we're going to argue that choosing to not have kids, by whatever method of birth control we use, is wrong in any case, then it is wrong in all cases.
So, it looks like we are backing ourselves into the Roman Catholic corner on birth control.
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Setting aside the racist elements of this "gentleman's" quote. He understands what American Christians do not.
"We are migrants, free to travel the length and breadth of the Americas because we belong here. We are millions. We just have to survive. We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. It's a matter of time. The explosion is in our population." - Jose Angel Gutierrez
Insert "aging Christianity" for "aging white America" and you will perhaps see why this issue is important. Those that are making babies (Catholics, Muslims, Mormons) are going to have a much greater influence on this world, then those that have given up making babies for other ambitions. -
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If a Christian family has one child (or even two of the same gender) would it not be reasonable to conclude that they have indeed increased in number by means of procreation?
Likewise, would it not be reasonable to further conclude that their obligation to help fill the earth with God worshipers would be better served by making disciples, teaching them to make disciples who in turn make disciples, and so on? -
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The kind that one multiplies has much to do with how they disciple them. Some are discipled ot be rebellios and others are discipled to walk with God. God also said to be fruitful. In the NT fruit is synonymous with something good not just numbers. Satan has his numbers and they are certainly not good. -
This is a "priesthood of the believer" issue IMO...unless we're talking abortificant birth control.
Restating what I said earlier...Why are our seminary presidents beginning more and more to act like Catholic cardinals/bishops/popes...offering "fatherly advice" on any/every area of human existence? Why can't they just run the seminaries and let local church pastors handle what is their business? Or better yet, let the leaders of our homes handle these things? -
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