Christian "Rock"?

oops I forgot to delete... still getting used to this! Sorry.

 

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;"> Worship is not the music. Worship comes from the heart. </pre>[/QUOTE]Exactly -- which is why this statement contradicts everything you imply in your previous one.

Got to love this consistency. :rolleyes:

 

umm diggin', I think your reply does more to prove OUr point than it does yours. allow me to reitterate since I made an error earlier:

So can you go to a kutless concert and feel a spirit of worship? Many of us can. One could easily argue that hymns are what appeals to your flesh. That type of reasoning will run you in circles. It's actually not about what appeals to any of us at all. Worship is not about how WE feel anyway. It's an offering to our King. I think the point All About Grace intended was that it is more difficult for worship to come from the heart if he/or she is in a traditional service because it is more suited for those whose personal style is more traditional.

 

It does not contradict a thing I said. It further strengthens my statements.

You made a statement where you could go to a traditional service and not be able to worship. Why? If Christ is in your heart, the lack of rock and roll in a service should not hinder you from worshipping Him; unless your interpretation of worship is dancing around and loud music.

 

I believe the statement referred to "feeling a spirit of worship" I'm still not getting how you claim your responses are consistent.

 

Diggin' you'll get no argument from me. Worship is more than the songs we sing. It is an attitude of the heart... our response to the revealed glory and goodness of God. We agree on that (at least I think we do).

But to tell someone their heart is wrong because they state a preference on the kind of worship MUSIC they like is not right. I know in my congregation, we sing old hymns, gospel songs, and new worship songs because of the themes that they speak of. We don't determine the worth of a song based on style, age or anything but its value lyrically. And most of my people are pretty cool with that.

That's how it works here... and it does work. The Lord is glorified whether we're singing "A Mighty Fortress" or "Open the Eyes of My Heart."

 

:rolleyes:

The new Kutless album is great BTW I hope you guys can check it out. It comes with an extra dvd that has all their music video's it's cool.

 

:eek: :confused: Pagans use blue jeans, lightbulbs, the internet candles, chewing gum...we could go on all day. Musical style does not hold spiritual significance any more than my pencil. I can use my pencil in a way that honors God or in a way that is evil or in a way that is neither good nor evil.

 

</font>[/QUOTE]I wonder if he is referring to the musical style of hymns written between the 1700s and the 1950s which were written in styles popular with pagans of those time periods.

Even if he isn't talking about hymns, He can definitely have have his convictions that aren't based on any scripture and I won't condemn him for it.

 

We baptists can sometimes be the worlds worst about trying to equate traditional with biblical. We just don't like change. We need to be sure we don't take scripture out of context to fit our ideals and preferences. When lost people see us do that, it often turns them away.

 

If you want to play word games, that is fine. The point I was making was that a traditional style service is not my preference. It does not engage my heart and mind. Just as I am sure you would say the same thing about a "rock and roll" service (personal attack edited).
Regardless of musical preference, worship does have an element of engagement involved in it. Does the music we are using engage the heart and mind of the hearer? That is a question each church should ask. Not the only question but definitely one of the questions. I would argue that those who attend a traditional style church do so because they PREFER that style music (or a parent or spouse is dragging them there). Those who attend a "contemporary" service do so because it engages their heart and mind. Nothing wrong with that. It is simply a part of God creating us as a spirit-body being with emotions, feelings, etc.

Would you be able to worship God in a way you deem appropriate at a "rock and roll" service? I can't use that dated phrase without thinking of the old "I love that old time rock and roll" song.

[ March 23, 2006, 10:10 PM: Message edited by: DHK ]

 

The argument of my using word games is futile. You are arguing against God's Word when you bring worldly music into His sanctuary all in the name of worship.

Wherefore come out from amongst them, not bring them into the church, that which is to be sanctified, set apart from the world.

 

In case you have not figured it out yet -- just because YOU suggest something is worldly, does not make it so.

Evidently you feel that if you repeat something long enough, it suddenly becomes true. Sorry - it just doesn't work that way.

What is truly amusing and entertaining is how you cannot see how what you write here so contradicts what you just said in an earlier post about worship being a matter of the heart.

 

Worldly:
rock and roll
herbal tea
women in pants
guitars
Fords

Godly:
southern gospel
coffee
permanant waves
pianos
Chevrolets

Is everyone getting that down?

 

Sadly, this has become an exercise in futility (for both sides).
The one side says that "our worship is aided and better with a certain type of music and it allows us to reach more people" (paraphrased). The other side says that this music is "not Godly and does not show a seperation from the world".

I think that neither side will accept the others argument and so this sadly has become one of those things that only the Holy Spirit will have to convict. It is sad that the scriptures as presented have been ignored and both sides have choosen to allow more conviction/preference and opinion to enter the fray. God will get His glory as due Him...no matter what is decided in regards to this topic of music!! But we do our fellowship a disservice and definitely hinder our communication as Brothers & Siters in Christ by taking things personal or by attacking personally the opposing side. Arguing about this is worthless and I say that God will sort it out and I'd rather spend my energy on this board encouraging my fellow pilgrims in this thing we call the Christian Life.

So may God Bless each of you and your ministry!

 

Who was the Biblical representative of worldly music: Jubal or Tubalcain?

Read about their actions in Scripture and then decide if music (and which kind) should be the basis for your worship.

 

There's no way a Chevy is of God. :D

 

God bless you brother and I hope you didn't take our conversation personal. I pray that we can all be used by God and His kingdom.

 

I’m done with this particular thread; I pray that people will take the opportunity to read this thread and be open to God’s will (on both sides). God bless.