When all of the nonsense is removed, the core question comes down to what was the agent that started the process of Creation. For example, if one believes the Big Bang theory (which I do not), one either believes it happened all by itself, on its own, or that there was a Creator behind the process. It does not take a lot of intelligence to sort that one out.
Nope, I do not believe in evolution from species to species. I believe over time, there can be changes within a species, maybe even a genus. The Bible makes it clear God created creatures by kind.
Christianity and Evolution
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Andy_S, Jun 5, 2011.
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Yes - but the two don't fit comfortably together
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No - evolution is an unbiblical heresy
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The real question is, can Christians be in error and still be Christians? Of course.
Is Darwinism heresy? Yes. Is it science? No. -
As it's already been told, I won't repeat all of what it took for me to do a 180 degree turn on what I thought I believed. Just say that it wasn't easy. (Just say, also, that much prayer was involved.) So firmly entrenched in what I thought was truth, it was like trying to reverse the direction of travel of the Titianic on a dime.
Reverse, on a dime, it did. A single paragraph in a study on why millions of years of evolution cannot explain deposits of oil and natural gas. The formation of same is in direct opposition to the old earth theory that evolution must hold. ie massive amounts of decomposing organic matter must be quickly gathered and put under tremendous pressure to create pools of gas and oil. What force could accomplish that? The flood recorded in Genesis.
When a basic underlying premise of a theory fails, the whole of the theory must come into question. A house cannot stand, in its entirety when supporting pillows are removed. Sampson proved that.
According to scripture, the flood was about a year in duration. If we believe that to be true, then why not believe the rest of the scriptures to be true, as well? In the Bible version debates one premise remains constant, regardless of which side of the issue is taken. God inspired the original recording of His word. Thus, God inspired Moses to accurately record the beginning - the creation. God created the world and all it contained in 6 days. Recording of the generations of mankind that followed creation gives an approximate date of creation.
Does some form of "evolution" exist? Yes, flu virus are continually evolving into new strains. Is that pillow strong enough to support the whole of everything needed to believe that what we see today took millions of years to come about? Are we so sure that carbon dating is without flaw(s) that it can be used as absolute proof that God used millions of years, instead of 6 24 hour days? At one time science taught that life could not exist at the bottom of the ocean due to pressure restraints and lack of sunlight. That is not the case.
As a side note, it's interesting to see how "evolution" is evolving, as well. At one time, it was thought that lightening strikes provided the electrical impulse needed to create life from the chemical mix (in sunlight) in the oceans. With the discovery that life can exist in the far depths of the sea, new theories are evolving that concludes life began in the depths rather than on the surface.
In closing, two favorite Bible verses come to mind and into play. Proverbs 2:3-6 and 2 Tim 2:15. Believe those two verses, hand in hand, are why I'm no longer a theistic evolutionist.
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One thing I've always been curious about when reading debates about this issue is; that since (not if) we were created in God's image, why was there a need to evolve to begin with? Did God's initial image evolve along with us? Or did we have to evolve into it "more fully"? Did He make a mistake that took time and entropy to fix?
I do fall in "No" category for evolution, theistic or otherwise, God is bigger. So, the above questions are more rhetoric than me seeking true "enlightenment".
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
No you cannot as a Christian reasonably hold to evolution. Evolution as it is understood in general terms among most people is the science that denies the creation story, denies the narrative biblical accounts, and denies God. It is a false science created by those who deny God themselves. Those who do not believe in God laugh at those who call themselves Christians and try to hold to evolution. They are only making fools of themselves.
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God created a female/male dog, and in its DNA was rthe potential to have ALL the different dog kinds, but still always remained dogs!
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My 2 cents worth....
Answers In Genesis/mainpage
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The Institute for Creation Research
Either of these sources offer much excellent Biblical and scientifically sound research and information to help you in your quest while honoring God and the accuracy and authority of the Word of God. The Bible is sound in every respect spiritually, historically, and scientifically.
If you, like I, went through public education/indoctrination then your "default" position was more than likely a belief in the evolutiuonary process that you were taught and no...it isn't compatible with Biblical Christianity in any respect. I did not come from a Christian home so that was all I knew when I first got saved. Thankfully, God gave me faith and light to believe and embrace the truth that He was not only the Creator but the Sustainer of all that we see. Evolution can never be more than theory....random chance that has no order or designer. I have heard it said that if you were to take an intricate Swiss watch, disassemble it, place it in a sealed bag and shake it until it was properly reassembled and in good working order, then MAYBE you might be able to prove that this world and all in it were proof of Evolution......well....you "do the math" on the odds of that one. I don't know about you or anyone else but I don't have THAT kind of faith. The "theory" (taught as fact) of evolution is just man's prideful and satanically-inspired attempt to explain away man's need and obligation to acknowledge God as the Creator, Sustainer, and Lord of this universe and go his own way in rebellion to that. Trust God and His Word. You don't have to (nor can you) understand every little detail of God's Creative genius and His purpose to be a happy, fulfilled and useful Child of God. We have a whole blessed eternity to look forward to to enjoy and discover the depths of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ. Don't fall for the devils lies here.
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I dont think believing in evolution "Voids" your salvation. However, Many Christians truly love and want to serve Jesus and are saved. I would just say that its not a consistent worldview.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
It is either proven fact or not. If it is proven fact then say so bluntly. Playing with definitions under the guise of "science" is just the liberals way of trying to make it look like fact without saying so.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Certainly not...
As I said, there is NOTHING that can "void" one's salvation. I will say this though...to embrace an evolutionary worldview (Old Earth/Billions of Years) rather than being a Biblical Creationist (Young Earth/Thousands of Years) will destroy one's credibility as a true Bible Believer. When I encounter someone who claims to be a Bible Believer and says they believe in Darwinism it immediately tells me that they trust NOT in the Word of God as a Book of true science, history, and faith but rather, in the fallible changeable theories of man. That's pretty much a show-stopper for me....at least about THAT subject. We must be gracious to others....God has been so to us....but not capitulate to their unbelief.
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