Christianity Today: Trump Should Be Removed

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    You are trying to reduce God's church to minute rules rather than accept that the church universal can call out world leaders who are Christians involved in sin.
    Why are you so reticent to call sin, sin?
     
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    You are avoiding the sins of our Christian President to claim another person is worse, therefore it means we can ignore the first person.
    Do you think the former editor of CT is openly in sin? Point them out and I will join with you in calling it sin. Then I will look at my own sin and seek to repent.
    The fact is that there is much sin in our camp and it is high time we all repent. Such response to the weight of our sin is the beginnings of a revival.
     
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    Yes
    No, not in the capacity of POTUS. Yes it mixes some, but again, POTUS does not hold the same qualifications of pastor etc that you are trying to place on it.

    Again, he is not representing Christ in his capacity as POTUS. You are not electing him to a church office. This argument is nonsense.
     
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    Yes but you are doing more than that. You are saying he is not qualified for his non-church position because of his sin. The church qualifications do not govern the office of POTUS, the Constitution does.
     
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    Yes, in the capacity of POTUS he represents Christ. Any Christian who is President of a Nation is representing Christ, just like you and I represent Christ. When someone sees us in sin, our sin should be called out. Paul called out Peter when Peter was in sin. There is no office where a Christian in sin should not be called out.
    What the world says about your answer is that it is hypocrisy to turn your back on sin and ignore it. Moreso, what does God say when we ignore sin in a brother?
     
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    I have no idea what this accusation means, but I've simply told you the biblical difference between governing authorities and Christians leaders. You've conflated the two, and embraced error as a result.
     
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    I'm saying we must call sin...sin and let the world know that Christians hold other Christians to the standards of scripture. We don't abide by situational ethics where we ignore sin because the ends justify the means.
     
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    Exactly, and our constitution empowers the people, and Pau tells us this governing authority comes from God. It is his give to the nations, even the unbelieving nations. It is a ministry for good to protect the innocent, which governing officials adhere to the principles of Romans 13.
     
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    Wow, the error amounts. This is a lesson in eisegesis.
     
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    Does the POTUS, who is a Christian, not represent Christ?

    Please explain how he is exonerated from Christian correction.
     
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    Where have I once said to turn back and ignore it? That is a false accusation. I said it has nothing to do with the office of POTUS.
     
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    Our country is condemning this President for perceived leveraging of a nation that has one of the worst records of brutal persecution of God's chosen people. Whilst this nation has a long horrendous record of prior Presidents leveraging the Palestinian Lie upon God's chosen people. Finally a President has been raised up that is not leveraging the Palestinian Lie upon God's chosen people. I'm inclined to believe that God may well be turning His attention towards His chosen people and away from this increasingly wicked Gentile world.
     
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    As an INDIVIDUAL yes, NOT in his capacity as POTUS.
     
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    Which, again, has nothing to do with the qualifications of POTUS.
     
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    It has to do with a Christian who is the POTUS.
     
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    No, Mark is giving Clinton a pass and claiming he's treating Trump equally. But he's not.

    Some of his old blog entries are weird but I have no idea if he's openly in sin or not. He sure doesn't mind someone being railroaded by admitting Trump is being treated unfairly but then calling for him to be forced out of office.

    Clinton was supposed to be a Christian. Obama was supposed to be a Christian. But Mark here was rooting for a comeback to Clinton and never said a word about Obama saying "God Bless Planned Parenthood". Now why is that?
     
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    So, will you call out his sin by not voting for a Christian who is not representing Christ well to the world? Or will you ignore his Christian testimony and vote because...
    Does the ends justify the means?
     
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    Did you not read the quote I shared from the article?