I'm just curious, who are you hanging out with that you're getting violently attacked by multiple attackers? And, even if armed with a handgun, do you think the vast majority of Americans are well trained to fend them off?
Christians Carrying Concealed Weapons - Falwell vs. Piper
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Deacon, Dec 26, 2015.
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preachinjesus Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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preachinjesus Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I've always said anyone who truly needs something from my house need only ask. Forceful taking not necessary. :) -
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I thought it was a better response than googling up gruesome examples of people being attacked by multiple violent attackers. -
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LOTS of people can handle guns in America.
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HankD..., I remember a sound bite from Pelosi a few years ago where she claimed that 18 year old "kids" were not responsible enough to have or own weapons. Beside the comment was a picture of a platoon of "kids" armed to the teeth in a rice patty in Vietnam.
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Supposing they could get through security, I wonder what would happen if, for example, during the 1 million people plus gathering in Times Square for New Year's , a terrorist strikes and 10,000 armed concealed carry permitted individuals decide to start shooting?
I wonder how many would get killed from the fire of others or from the cops thinking they were a danger? It's just not wise to have everybody playing cop. -
How much space do 10,000 people take up? (1 terrorist with a firearm; unless you can fit all 10,000 into his/her immediate vicinity...only those "within range" will return fire, and that will most likely be in the "12 people" range, not 10,000.)
What weapon is the terrorist using? (If I were so inclined, in an area with 1 million people, I would go for maximum damage--so I wouldn't use a firearm. I'd use the biggest explosive I could muster, with lots of ball bearings and metal bits. This, there'd be no one for your 10,000 to start shooting at.)
Unless you're trying to say that 10,000 people with carry licenses will be attending, just itching to pull the trigger on someone...and that's just as bad as saying all muslims are terrorists. -
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preachinjesus Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I do not trust the vast majority of untrained Americans to properly handle a handgun in a moment of extreme physiological terror. With a rifle, from a longer distance, the entire situation is different. With a handgun, the action is on top of each other. You are in close proximity. The amount of adrenaline that is injected into your body training to manage and channel. Firing, precisely, amid a torrent of emotion, psychological energy, physical responses, and nervous system overload is extraordinarily difficult without the proper training.
This is called scotopic vision in technical literature and it takes significant training to harness and use effectively. Someone who is under duress of an attack has to master their physiological response in addition to maintaining focus, narrowing peripheral vision, utilizing proper hand-eye-coordination, ensuring the depth perception stays the same, not fixating on one point and neglecting the field of vision, and channeling their adrenaline to maximize their sensory perception without sudden temporary blindness and/or loss of motor control. And all in a split second.
I do not trust the average American to accomplish this successfully with a handgun.
Police officers, psychologists, security experts, and medical professionals all warn against the dangers of untrained civilians believing they can fire for effect in crucial moments of close range. With the proper training someone can indeed overcome the physiological responses and be effective, but the vast majority of Americans do not have that training.
Lots of people can carry handguns in the United States. Few people can properly handle them in crucial moments of need. This isn't the movies. This isn't tv. There are extraordinary psychological, emotional, and physical challenges to ending someone's life...even for law enforcement. -
preachinjesus Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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If I was in a plane and all of the pilots died, I would still get behind the stick, even if I doubted my ability to accomplish a landing successfully.
Likewise, if an American is confronted with armed assailants wishing to take his or her life, I would not deny them their chance at defending themselves, just because I doubted their abilities. -
There's nothing any more histrionic about this scenario than 10,000 Syrian refugees deciding to blow us up.
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http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2014/11/10/veterans-day-data-boot-camp
Every veteran (at least when I was in the military) has to qualify in the field of firearms. My last 3 years in the USAF I qualified as Marksman, Sharpshooter and then Expert before my tour of duty was up.
It's the second Amendment part of the Bill of Rights and as much as you dislike it you have to live with it.
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