Whoa, whoa, whoa... You have went from "NO ONE" to "no scholarly Arminian worth his salt..."
In the real world we call that backpedaling! :wavey:
I believe that we can find examples, and if one wanted to search through any number of posts the evidence could be brought forth. In fact, I recall another thread where the topic went in exactly this same direction and I provided any number of quotes from individuals on this board who did exactly what you suggest that NO ONE would ever do. I also recall that thread being closed, like all the others where a mod exceeded his bounds and inserted personal theology into a thread and used that as a device to censor other opinions that ran contra that of the mod.
So, you can continue in this intentional fallacy of excessive research or you can let the debate continue, but in a way that is not an attack of a moderator on a member who is merely posting his own theological views.
COMMON-ground?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Skandelon, Jul 24, 2011.
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This just gets silly.
I would appreciate us to study one other immediate context. THIS THREAD wherein Skandelon argues I said these men are saving themselves.
Nothing in the context or in my words support this whatsoever.
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Seems that there an attempt to make sure that non cal sand the views would be seen as being the "real biblical" way of expessing Sotierology!
Not upset, more like amused, as those of us who hold the contary position seem to exhibit morr of the "fruit" in how we address those accusing/opossing us here...
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You writers/authors validate what the Apostles already recorded, or they don't
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I said, "I think it might be interesting because then we could look at the actual context of their post to see what they mean versus what you apparently think they mean, because I can assure you that no scholarly Arminian worth his salt would EVER make the claims you suggest that "boldly expressed" here."
See how I referred to looking at the context of those who posts here first and THEN I referred to how that might relate to what Arminians typically believe (as represented by the scholars)? I'm clearly saying that I doubt the posters here disagree with the scholars if you actually look at their real quotes in context. I thought that was abundantly clear.
Must I explain everything over and over again for you to understand the simple intent? And I'll take this argument as an admission from you and P4T that real "Scholarly" Arminians don't really hold to these views, thank you. My mission has been accomplished. :love2: -
Yep, your strawman is accomplished. :wavey:
No one was talking of "scholarly arminians" except, well, you. This is how you twist things and pretend to give yourself the winning trophy. :love2:
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I challenge you, I dare you, to actually confront real scholarly non-Calvinistic views instead of these simpleton misrepresentations. When you can move beyond these shallow accusations and misrepresentation of what true Arminians believe and into a respectful and intelligent discussion let me know. And when you run across a non-Calvinists who says some of the ridiculous things you accuse them of saying just let me know and I'll be glad to correct them for misrepresenting Arminianism in the same way some here misrepresent mainstream Calvinistic views. Ok? -
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Im back! Have we achieved any common ground yet? :rolleyes:
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Do each receive the same gifts, talents? Do all diligently seek God? Are all just rewarded by Him for nought, or are those who diligently seek Him rewarded in this way only?
Were all apostles? Are all given his insight?
Do all come to see Gods Sovereignty as it truly is, or do some others choose to turn a blind eye to this?
I believe what is at stake here is others outside calvinism refuse to look at the issues presented, thinking that some of them make God seem unfair.
Thus one must make all fit into their theological box.
Thus, cals have allowed not a theological position to interpret Scripture, and have instead let the very Scriptures we hold to reaveal the Glory of God in all His facets, and trust Him at all times in them. Many have rejected theological positions and have arrived at conclusions of DoG/Calvinism/Reformed thought by thoroughly and humbly accepting all the Scriptures say, and some come to this even after previously rejecting these truths, coming to find out these teachings are true, and then embrace them, i.e. me. :)
We happen to interpret Scripture within a comprehensive entire counsel of God framework. Most who oppose cals use a proof-text methodology, and view the Bible as simple. And I'm talking on here, not some dude named "Joe Shmogul" somewhere who is an alleged "arminian scholar." K?
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How do you get so far off track? Where did I ever say this is the case? Unbelievable!!!!! (not really) :)
You dare me? :laugh:
You're saying the persons I've alluded to on here, as to what they've stated, as well as those to whom glfrederick also admitted seeing saying these things, are then "simpletons?" Really? I won't apologize for sticking to a strict context here. Can you do the same and actually argue within the framework of what I actually stated, without adding strawmen, little green army men, weeble-wobbles, and Power Rangers figures?
One of your glaring flaws is that you assume all I come against are in fact arminians, and only arminians. This is you fighting the wrong battle.
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What theological system supports the guy who say men are "pretty good fellers" and I'll help you put them in their place!?! We'll actually be on the same side, like we are in the politics section!! Let's get 'em!!! :thumbsup: -
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Skan said....Ok, but why? Are you smarter? More intelligent? More humble? What good do you have that you have not received and why wouldn't God grant that "good" to all his children? Why would he relegate some of us to view God wrongly and "less sovereignly" than other children?
See now your turning this into a contest.....your original OP was to try to find commonality, but you should know what that is by now.... 1 John 5:11-12
11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
I would quit thinking that way (asking above questions like this) if I were you & opening your mind least people think your insecure. Im sure educated Arminians strive to think "outa da box", right? And brother, I would advise this to any Christian I speak to.
Blessings
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