Confess and Believe

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  1. 1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,” (Galatians 5:22)
     
  2. Reynolds Well-Known Member
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    Fruits come after. Romans 10 is clear they come before.
     
  3. InTheLight Well-Known Member
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    You sound like a parrot. You just keep repeating the same lines over and over again.

    "The gospel becomes law and grace becomes works"
    "Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit"

    "The gospel becomes law and grace becomes works"
    "Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit"

    "The gospel becomes law and grace becomes works"
    "Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit"
     
  4. 1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    try picking an apple where the tree hasn't been planted yet.
     
  5. InTheLight Well-Known Member
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    Hilarious. 1689Dave "liked" my post that he sounds like a parrot.

    Well, at least he's got someone that agrees with him.
     
  6. MB Well-Known Member

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    Not saved until they surrender. simply those who are rebellious cannot be saved until they do. The saved can still say no and often do but at that point those who resist meet the consequences of His correction. God disciplines His children because He Loves us.
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  7. 1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    Nobody can surrender unless they first believe and this is a fruit of the Holy Spirit in them.
     
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    If it were true only the saved surrender then there would be no one saved.
    MB
     
  9. 1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    Every believer repents/surrenders.
     
  10. MB Well-Known Member

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    Maybe you'd like to prove your theory with scripture. That sinners cannot surrender.
    MB
     
  11. 1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1 Corinthians 2:14)
     
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    Y'all have a bunch of slick sayings to try to avoid plain scripture.
     
  13. 1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    How many apples have you picked before the tree produced them?
     
  14. InTheLight Well-Known Member
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    Yes, the natural man does not receive the deep things of God. Look at the context of 1 Cor. 2. Paul is speaking about the deeper things of God that are discussed among the mature believers.

    6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature...
    7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
    10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.

    But the natural man can understand the Gospel. It is the power of God unto salvation.
     
  15. 1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    “Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.” (1 Peter 1:23)
     
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    Is not Adam still alive at some place prepared by the Creator?

    If not, was he as any animal that just returns to dust and has no living soul?
     
  17. InTheLight Well-Known Member
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    Maybe address the verses I quoted.

    Hey, I can quote random Bible verses too.

    But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint. (Isaiah 40:31)
     
  18. 1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    How many times did the wicked Jews do this? Only the born again like David did this sort of thing.
     
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    Jesus commanded the man with the withered hand to stretch forth his hand.
    Jesus commanded the man to do what he could not do by himself.
    How do you think he did what he did?
    Was it by himself? Or did God do an unseen work enabling him?
    How about the man who could not walk..
    The command rise up and walk...same question?
    Lazarus come forth...same question
     
  20. Reynolds Well-Known Member
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    I have no clue where you are coming,g from. A pure Calvinist would say only the elect succumb to the efficacious Grace.