Perhaps then there is misunderstanding that the Law did not demand retribution, but as Romans 3 states:
19Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.Paul is not presenting that the law had some legal demand that was to be met by the suffering of Christ.
21But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Rather, Paul presents that the law had two significant purposes.
It makes man aware that they have sinned. That those "under the law" have not hope of redemption.
Next, it is that tool of God just as the prophets were to testify and witness to the righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ.
To what end, what conclusion.
As Paul again states, that God may demonstrate through Christ being both the just (one) and the justifier (one who makes others just) God's ability and authority. That the Law is not demanding retribution or satisfaction, but is a witness along with all the prophets.
Too often, in my opinion, the "legal" demands are not properly matched with the statements of Scriptures.
Confusion on just what is PSA
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JonC, Dec 18, 2017.
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Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Therefore the law cannot save us (because we can't keep it) but it can point us to Christ when we realise our inability to please God through our works. But that does not mean that the broken law does not condemn us which is why we need a Saviour.
I'm sorry this is so brief, but I don't have time to plough through the whole of Romans. But 'Sin is lawlessness' and 'The wages of sin is death.' -
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Think about it Y1.
Why would traditional Calvinists reject the wording "God's wrath to satisfy" because it denied PSA?
Why would Calvinistic Baptists view the exact same phrase as affirming PSA?
It has nothing to to with "Sacramentalism".
Aquinas believed that Jesus bore our sins and took the wrath that we deserved upon Himself as God punished Him for our sins. But Aquinas strongly rejected the idea of punishment that PSA depends upon when he clarified this punishment was "satisfactory punishment" and not "simple punishment" for sins.
Do you understand how a person could say that Jesus bore our sins, God's wrath fell upon Him, He was punished for our iniquity and by His stripes we are healed without affirming PSA? That's the question. Do you understand the distinction between Substitution Atonement theories? -
Therefore, what I posted concerning Romans 3 was accurate.
There is nothing that I posted that you refuted bringing up Romans 2. Rather, the passages actually reinforces my statements of Romans 3.
All (including believers) suffer the WAGES of sin - death, however believers pass from death to life by putting on immortality and the death is “swallowed up in victory.” (1 Corinthians 15:54). -
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If you only assume such without Scripture support, then no matter what is presented will conform to your thinking, for the thinking is based solely upon opinion.
Second, should you decide to attend to the Scriptures and not to opinion, then there is foundational tools from which to align the heart and mind.
Third, your question has been answered, repeatedly, and you have not refuted it other then restating your opinion. -
The death achieved far more.
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I think that much depends on the context that we provide. If salvation comes from divine justice as retributive justice then Christ's righteousness was accomplished through the Law. If it comes from a righteousness apart from the Law, to which the law points, then this righteousness is not centered on divine justice at all. And then you have Wright's view, the Anabaptist view, Denny Weaver's view, etc. -
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