Darby = Dispensationalism

I would think that if God can reconstitute a body that has been dead for thousands of years, He can reconstitute a people He said belonged to Him, lol.

Jews have maintained an exclusivity that has maintained their views of inter-marrying as something to be avoided. We see this presented in a very prejudiced manner in Christ's day, and I have no doubts that among her, seeing she is a secular nation, that same sentiment continues.


God bless.

 

They were Jews of which Paul may have even been one of them! But they were not believers on the Lord Jesus. They were keepers of the ordinances and sticklers for the letter of the Law but not saved.

Jews by birth and lineage. Citizens of Judah who felt their works would get them to Heaven, but not citizens of heaven. The Jews in the 1000 year Kingdom will be saved they will have trusted Christ in the Tribulation when the Beast came to Power, in that Kingdom will be Gentiles who also trusted Christ. Jesus will reign on the Throne of David just as Prophesied. God's progression of dealing with man by Grace will have accomplished all their salvation by the Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

Paul was an ethnic Jew who later got saved. Many of the early Christians were ethnic Jews before they got saved.
On the Day of Pentecost there were about 100,000 present. They were all "ethnic Jews," with some proselytes. 3,000 were saved. That still left 97,000 that remained "ethnic Jews."
The Israel that remains today are still those "ethnic Jews" which God has promised salvation and will fulfill his promises. "And so all Israel shall be saved." That promise has not yet been fulfilled.

 

The question was:

Am I to understand from your response that all Jews who reject Jesus Christ are unsaved?

 

Yes they are. Of course they are. Who was Saul before Christ saved him?
He was a Jew, a Pharisee of the Pharisees, of the tribe of Benjamin.

So are the unsaved Jews today--perhaps not with the exact same lineage.
What makes them not Jews, or of the "house of Israel"?

There is only one way to Christ. Jesus said I am that way (John 14:6)
And at the end of the Tribulation, all the Jews, as a nation will recognize that fact.

 

What fraction of Jacob's DNA is requited to be of the House of Israel!

 

The evil that you speak of what God has given in His word is ungodly.

 

First, the Lord knows how to preserve the Godly out of the wicked.
Second, the secret things belong to the Lord (one of your favorite verses).

 

I am happy to see that GOD is still in control rather than "the prince of the power of the air"!

I am content to let GOD be GOD!

 

That's not exactly how it works, biologically speaking. But you know this, right? And I suppose you are ready, willing and able to discuss genetics with someone,,,,like me. I would really look forward to having that discussion. I probably would learn something useful from you, correct?

The preterist think that Jesus had his second coming in the first century AD. As a Baptist, we are to allow individual soul liberty but with any liberty comes responsibility. If the Bible is accurate then there is no chance that Jesus has already returned because the Bible clearly gives the state of affairs when this event takes place. Preterists are tolerated on this board and afforded all kinds of respect but the dispies, who take the Bible seriously are the subject ridicule. Why?

So then, what of this kingdom those hapless 11 Jewish Apostles asked Jesus about just before he returned to the Father in Acts ch. 1? Good question, the covenant crowd thinks this is some sort of spiritual kingdom. Based on what one might ask? Well nothing in Bible indicates that the kingdom is a spiritual thing. But lets say you insist on it anyway. When does the believer enter this spiritual kingdom promised back in Genesis? No one seems to know the answer to that question. What does the believer do once in the spiritual kingdom that is different from born again believers that are not in the kingdom?

I know that some of the preterists who think that they are in the kingdom right now, ruling and reigning with Christ. But what about those of us who are saved but don't believe that the church is the spiritual kingdom? And what about those like the JWs or the Catholics that are not trusting in Christ but are believing in the same exact spiritual kingdom? Good questions with no Biblical answers.

When God made the covenants with Abraham, did that covenant promise eternal life in heaven? When God gave Jeremiah the New Covenant, did that covenant promise eternal life in heaven? What exactly are the promises in the OT covenants?

 

Galatians 3:6-9
6. Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Galatians 3:16-19
16. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Hebrews 11:8-16
8. By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10. For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11. Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12. Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13. These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Galatians 3:22-29
22. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Four points from the above Scripture:

1. The Gospel was preached to Abraham.

2. The seed of Abraham and heir to the promises is Jesus Christ.

3. Abraham and those like him in faith looked for a heavenly country, a city prepared by God, the New Jerusalem, the Church!

4. Those who are in Jesus Christ are heirs of the promises given to Abraham!

 

It is called progressive revelation.
The account simply reads: Abraham believed God and it was accounted unto him for righteousness. His salvation was by faith--faith in the God that was revealed unto him at that time.

Who is that seed? It was both to the Jews and to the Gentiles. It was not to one, but to many.

And your point is?

The Jews were also given promises, some of which have not been fulfilled yet.
They were given promises, some of which have been fulfilled.
Never were they intended to be a nation either absorbed by another entity or continued, by another, or replaced by another. Such views are not taught in Scripture but are contrary to Scripture.

Paul prayed for unsaved ethnic Israel. If Israel, as a nation, did not exist in the lifetime of Paul, then Paul was a lunatic.

 

You are entitled to your opinion! Israel, or Judea, at that time was avail state of Rome. But please don't call Paul a lunatic because you cannot understand him.

 

The account reads:

Scripture states unequivocally that the seed was Jesus Christ!

The point is what Scripture says about Abraham and the New Jerusalem.

And those promises are fulfilled in Jesus Christ:

Believe what you want about Paul. He was not a lunatic though one other person thought so!

Acts 26:24. And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.

 

No it doesn't.

The New Jerusalem has the apostles names written on the foundation of the walls. It doesn't have Abraham's names written there.

False.

You paint him as one.

So, you agree with Festus? I thought you were better than that!
You say:

Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
--Have these things happened yet?
No, of course not.
These promises have not been fulfilled in Christ, but will be fulfilled in Christ in the future.

 

I don't care whether you believe it or not but DHK, You are wrong and disputing Scripture!

 

Too bad you can't answer my previous post--post #195.
You can only reply with a bombastic "you are wrong!"

 

That is correct it doesn't. But it does have the names of the twelve tribes of Israel, descendants of Abraham. Also the Apostle Paul tells us: Galatians 3:29. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

So all 24 names on the New Jerusalem are of the seed of Abraham through Jesus Christ. Consider what Hebrews 11:10 tells us: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.. Abraham looked for a city whose builder and maker is GOD!

Then consider what Revelations tells us about the New Jerusalem

Revelation 21:10-14
10. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11. Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12. And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13. On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14. And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

 

So you think Paul is both a lunatic and Scripture is not trustworthy?!

 

No it is you who paint him as one!

No it is you who agree with Festus!