The Bible, St Augustine and the Roman church disagree with your Pelagian teachings.
Deadly free-will choices from the Garden until right now
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Samuels, Jan 28, 2017.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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I can't breathe without God, my heart doesn't move without God, every event in my life was setup by God.
Every evil act committed on my or anyone's part God knew exactly what would happen and allow it.
God has the very hairs on your head numbered.
The prayer I mentioned is one Jesus commands us to pray. By its definition prayer is a request made on God.
Matthew 7
7“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8“For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 9“Or what man is there among you who, when his son asks for a loaf, will give him a stone? 10“Or if he asks for a fish, he will not give him a snake, will he? 11“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!
Luke 11
5Then He said to them, “Suppose one of you has a friend, and goes to him at midnight and says to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves; 6for a friend of mine has come to me from a journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; 7and from inside he answers and says, ‘Do not bother me; the door has already been shut and my children and I are in bed; I cannot get up and give you anything.’ 8“I tell you, even though he will not get up and give him anything because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence he will get up and give him as much as he needs.
9“So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10“For everyone who asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened. 11“Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he? 12“Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will he? 13“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”
Would you exegete that the persistence comes from a lack of faith? That one can't ask for the holy spirit because they would have to have the holy spirit in the first place?
Matthew 15
21Jesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. 22And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.” 23But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us.” 24But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” 26And He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 27But she said, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” 28Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed at once.
If she was a Calvinist she would have walked off when he said:
“It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.”
He was only sent for the lost sheep in the elect house.
That is GOD almighty saying NO!
You would have walked off too. You would have failed this test, LIKE YOUR FAILING NOW.
One day its going to be you on the sake of a reprobate you actually care for. One day its going to change from saving your own neck to prioritizing someone else.
What is in command here is the love in her heart. She wasn't going to stand by and let her reprobate daughter be demon consumed. She wasn't even going to take a NO from Jesus.
“O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.”
Its like you got a photo of the gospel but don't accept real deal three dimensionally, your stuck with a limited two dimensions.
God controls everything beautifully. His say is on everything no problem. But you put limits on how he does it.
Your convinced he could only win a game of poker between us by cheating.
That he can only see things go his way based on conditions that would satisfy your human perspective of certainty.
The only reason we are of differ faiths is because the one guy who claims its all on God to fix things hypocritically believed himself the one to fix his church. -
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Every single passage there has to do with redemptive work and sinners salvation.
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Every single of those bible passages has to do with this thread we are on "Deadly free-will choices from the Garden until right now"
Why don't you pray to God to give you some answers.
Look here's an easy one.
Tell me Canaanite woman was faithful or what she did was faithless. HINT: Jesus tells us. -
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Let me tell you what boasting is: this idea that God singled me out to be saved, but those other folks? Forget them, they've been elected for the fires of hell. No choice for them....That smacks of boasting....!!! -
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~ Ephesians 2:8-9
It's right there. Faith does not come from yourself. Faith comes as a gift from God so that you cannot boast about choosing God. -
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Faith is from God so that YOU cannot boast about choosing God.
God did all the work. Give Him the praise and stop daydreaming about you somehow picking God off the pantheon god shelf. You and I are just not that smart. In fact, because God is holy and we are not, we would always run from God's presence if He didn't stop us. -
In fact you never see God telling us to accept Him into our heart. We would and can never do it on our own volition. -
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And Eph 2:9 states that God saved us by grace and we accept this through faith, not works (as in good deeds).
I suggest learning to read a bit better.. -
Why are you so dead set on being wrong?
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