You did not answer my question... Instead, as usual, you post verses out of context.
Do Calvinists Affirm Free Will then?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Feb 16, 2021.
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Reformed1689 Well-Known Member
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SavedByGrace Well-Known Member
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Reformed1689 Well-Known Member
Is. 7 says nothing about being sinless. You should read it again.
Jonah 4:11 I don't even know how it is relevant to the discussion.
Romans 9:11 They weren't born yet, so again, irrelevant. -
John 8:34-36
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
Romans 6:19-22
I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification. For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life.
Paul goes on to answer your complaint.
Romans 9:19-24
You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?
sbw, God has answered your complaints. Either you accept what God tells you or you keep fighting against God. -
SavedByGrace Well-Known Member
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Romans 9:10-13
And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
The text says they had not done either good or bad. It does not say "they were sinless."
Paul answers this in Romans 5:12-15.
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.
The answer to your question is...it makes them sinners because Adam sinned and the corrupt nature of Adam is within all mankind.
Like "HeirofSalvation" you are teaching Pelagian heresy which the church, both Roman Catholic and Protestant, has condemned. -
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Failure here leads to a list of errors that cannot be recovered from.Rom3:23.
You should pause and take time to understand the fall into sin and death -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Psalm 51:5 is part of the cure available.All sinned at one point in time.
Not only are you wrong on this issue but you compound it by falsely declaring the bible supports your error. -
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Reformed1689 Well-Known Member
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Calvinist redefine the meaning of words, which means Calvinists can affirm Free Will, and have it mean Free only to choose outside the will of God, thus consistent with the Bondage of the Will.
However, people do seek God, as the people of Matthew 23:13 were seeking to enter His kingdom, and people do put their faith in Christ, as the people chosen for salvation in 2 Thessalonians 2:13 did. -
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