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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Mar 10, 2017.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    As the Apostle Paul stated that they were blinded, under the veil of Moses, and that while they were st present enemies of God . God had not forgotten His own Covenant people,and that their rejection was for the benefit of the gentiles, and not forever.

    So would a modern day Jew be ralking about and praying to same God as we do, but due to them trejecting Jesus, they are no longer in Covenant relationship, but still the God of the Bible?
     
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    Once again, do they worship the Triune God of the Bible - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

    If not they worship a DIFFERENT God! That is such a simple concept, I really don't see what it is you can't seem to understand.

    Christian God = Father, Son (Jesus), Holy Spirit.

    Jewish God = Father, Holy Spirit.

    Different God.

    There modern god, missing one third of the Godhead, is a false god of their own making.

    As Jesus is Jehovah, they reject the God of the Covenant, not just the Covenant, but the God of the Covenant.
     
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    Except jew Bible states that God is still faithful, and that he did not totally forget/reject them, and that the Jews still have the real God, but Not the Messaih, as are still blind, but God will still save out a faithful remnant of them to know Jesus!

    They still know of the true God, their OT books are still inspired, but are lost apart from knowing Yeshua as their Messiah!

    Islam for example, has a false god they know, period!
     
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    I'm sorry but you just aren't making any sense. You say:
    You do know, do you not, that the "Messaih" is the 2nd Person of the Godhead, and a Godhead without the "Messaih" is not the God of the bible?

    What is so hard to understand about this?

    Father, Son, Holy Spirit = the God of the Bible.

    Father, Holy Spirit = false god.
     
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    They still know of the true God, but are blinded to Yeshua as their Messiah!
     
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    Trying to talk to you and get you to make sense is a waste of my time. You won't listen and you keep saying the same dumb things over and over again.

    Argue with yourself. I'm out of here.
     
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    I've always thought of it as the Jews worship a God they don't truly know. To know God is to know his Son Jesus. But I don't know if I would go as far as to say they worship a totally different God. Yahweh is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel.
     
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    Well, I would definitely see a difference between Jews, who have a misunderstanding of true divine revelation, and the Muslims, who worship a human creation made from a caricature of true revelation.
     
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    Paul himself stated the same thing, as the Jews know Yahweh, but refuse to accept Yeshua, so blind to that, but still know real God!
     
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    Yes, as the Jews still have the OT scriptures, and still know of true God, but not in a saving sense, while Allah is not another name for God, but false god!
     
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    So you believe today's Jews worship Jesus Christ? After all, Jesus is Jehovah.
     
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    Same person.
     
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    5 and upon her forehead a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Rev 17

    The Jewish Foundation of Islam

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    "“Unquestionably the first impression gained by a reader of the quran Koran is that Muhammad Mohammed had received the material of his new faith and practice mainly from the Jews of the Hijaz. On almost every page are encountered either episodes of Hebrew history, or familiar Jewish legends, or details of rabbinical law or usage, or arguments which say in effect that Islam is the faith of Abraham and Moses.....”


    “These facts, if taken by themselves, would obviously indicate that the Arabian prophet's religious education had been thoroughly Jewish.....”


    'This quran quranic Koranic teaching is Gnostic,' or 'This is Manichaean'-in our dense ignorance of the type of Christianity that was known in the Hijaz, and especially, the type of Judaism that was actually present in Mekka in muhammad Mohammed's time, and from which we know him to have derived such a very large proportion of what we find in the quran Koran......”


    “....there is no clear evidence that muhammad Mohammed had ever received instruction from a Christian teacher, while many facts testify emphatically to the contrary; and that, on the other hand, the evidence that he gained his Christian material either from Jews in Mekka, or from what was well known and handed about in the Arabian cities, is clear, consistent, and convincing....”


    “...The fact of the Israelite city of Khaibar, "the richest city of the Hijaz," is one very significant item among many. Such a civilization is not produced in a short time. Native Arab tribes "converted" in the manner supposed would have been certain, we should imagine, to welcome and accept the prophet of their own number who promised them a truly Arabian continuation of Judaism adapted to their own special needs, while based squarely on the Hebrew scriptures. But the Jews of Mekka, Medina, and the rest of the Hijaz knew better, and would not yield an inch....I have thus far been speaking mainly of the great number of Arabs professing the Israelite faith, in muhammad Mohammed's time.....”


    “....The quran Koran repeatedly speaks of "the children of Israel" as the most favored people on earth-up to the time of Islam; and in addressing them the prophet always reminds them that they know their scriptures.....”


    “Far more important, however, is the testimony contained in the quran Koran. The Israelite tribes with their rabbis, their books, sacred and secular, their community of faith and action, and their living contact with the past, are there; they are no phantom. All through the quran Koran there is evidence of a Jewish culture, which muhammad Mohammed greatly admired, and of Jewish learning, which he very imperfectly assimilated...."
     
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    Church of Rome....
     
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    Yahweh God the father, Yeshua God the Son, they know of/about One member of the Trinity, but not the other One!
     
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    5 and upon her forehead a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Rev 17

    The Jewish Foundation of Gnosticism
     
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    You keep listing the Church of rome!
     
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    Do you really know so little about the bible?

    Joel 2:32 It will happen that whoever will call on Yahweh’s name shall be saved.

    Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and you believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.

    13 For "whosoever shall call upon the name of the LORD shall be saved."

    Yahway in the OT, Jesus in the NT. Same Person.


    Isaiah 40:3 A voice cries: "In the wilderness prepare the way of Yahwah; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

    Matthew 3:3 For this is he who was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah when he said, "The voice of one crying in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of the Lord; make his paths straight.'"

    John the Baptist was preparing the way for Who? Oh yes. For Jesus!

    Yahwah in the OT, Jesus in the NT. Same Person.


    Numbers 21:5 And the people spoke against God and against Moses, "Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and we loathe this worthless food."
    6 Then the Yahwah sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died.

    1 Corinthians 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
    9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

    Yahwah in the OT, Jesus in the NT. Same Person.


    Genesis 2:4 This is the history of the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Yahweh God made the earth and the heavens.

    John 1:3 All things were made through him. Without him was not anything made that has been made.
    14 The Word became flesh, and lived among us.

    Yahwah in the OT, Jesus in the NT. Same Person.
     
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    The Father is Yahweh to them, they do not know His Son Yeshua!
     
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    Yeah, the whole "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" doesn't jive with theology or worship.
     
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