Another great hymn of the FAITH
Doctrine of Grace/Calvinisim In Hymns and Songs
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Jarthur001, Aug 1, 2006.
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Yes, the writer is reflecting on the great mercy and grace of our God and looking at his salvation with great gratitude for God's gift to him!
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"how many love your mother? Good..God is love. Now sign the card in front of you and your on your way to heaven."
OK...maybe its not that bad. But you get the idea. I believe the Bible teaches to have faith and believe...means you see God for who He is and want to worship Him..turn from the world....repent.
Man sees himself this way..when the Holy Spirit gives him understanding of mans sin state and need of Christ. Thus..the cry
IMHO...that is how the song speaks to me. -
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Doctrine by song lyrics
It almost seems as if some people here are trying to defend their doctrine by using song lyrics. This doesn't seem like a very intelligent approach to defending doctrine, to me.
On a related note, I know of lots of people who sing "In all I do, I honor you". I refuse to sing that song simply because I know it's not true. Similarly, I'm silent during songs that reflect free-willism.
I recommend that free-willers remain silent during songs like Amazing Grace, too. If you don't believe it, don't sing it, or you're being hypocritical.
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We, who believe in free-will, know we are saved by grace. It's the "by faith" part that you keep leaving out. -
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The problem I see is in "calvinism IN hymns and song". What's the purpose of hymns and songs? To worship God...not spread a theology! If these songs were written by calvinists with the sole purpose of putting good 'ole "doctrines of grace" in the words of the songs...to toot the horn of calvinists, they do not need to by in ANY hymnal! I have no problem with hymns and songs that are Bible based, not calvinist based or even "doctrines of grace" based.
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Would you write a hymn that does NOT reflect your theology? I think not.
Would you say that a hymn should not include trinitarian theology? I think not.
So why can't Newton or Watts or Toplady or Cowper or Luther etc etc express their love for the Sovereign, Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe? -
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How about these songs from the sweet psalmist of Israel :
Psalm 65
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To the chief Musician, A Psalm and Song of David.
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Praise waiteth for thee, O God, in Sion: and unto thee shall the vow be performed.
2 O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.
3 Iniquities prevail against me: as for our transgressions, thou shalt purge them away.
4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.
5 By terrible things in righteousness wilt thou answer us, O God of our salvation; who art the confidence of all the ends of the earth, and of them that are afar off upon the sea:
I suppose they are unscriptural, eh ?
Yet you freewillers do not have even one song that says you came to God and repented of your sins because you have free will, or because God granted you the freedom to choose. Your theologians all fall back on grace, because eventually that is what it all amounts to. Had it not been for God's grace given in Christ before the foundation of the world, neither you nor Calvinists nor those who believe in the Doctrine of Grace me included will have any hope of and in heaven.
You can only resort to implied name calling, that those who adhere to the Doctrine of Grace, or those you call Calvinists, are proud, arrogant, self-centered sinners who think they are special, and are therefore unredeemed. -
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A Relatively New Song
by J.F. Parker 1901-1970
The Bride of Christ
The Bride of Christ we have today, A blessing from the Lord;
He gave her to His Son to save, and take her home above.
Chorus:
The turtledove is singing now; The winter's past and gone.
Rise up, my fair one, come away ! I'll take you home to stay.
She was His bride before she knew she had a Husband dear;
And when for her His choice was made, it caused her to draw near.
When she, adorned with all His grace, shall be exalted there,
No queen with all her glory here Was ever half so fair. -
"Why was I made to hear His voice,
And enter while there's room;
When thousands make a wretched choice,
And rather starve than come?
"'Twas the same love the spread the feast,
That sweetly forced me in;
Else I had still refused to taste,
And perish'd in my sin." -
Sorry I offended you. But, to claim the great hymns of the faith as Calvinist offends me. I hope you noticed I simply highlighted some of the words in the hymns, said "amen" and "praise God". I'm guessing you don't think the title of this thread was any kind of bait? -
’Twas the same love that spread the feast
That sweetly drew us in;
Else we had still refused to taste,
And perished in our sin.
http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/h/s/hsweetaw.htm -
The Church's one foundation
The Church's one foundation
is Jesus Christ her Lord;
she is his new creation,
by water and the word:
from heaven he came and sought her
to be his holy bride;
with his own blood he bought her,
and for her life he died.
Elect from every nation,
yet one o'er all the earth,
her charter of salvation,
one Lord, one faith, one birth;
one holy Name she blesses,
partakes one holy food,
and to one hope she presses,
with every grace endued.
Though with a scornful wonder
men see her sore oppressed,
by schisms rent asunder,
by heresies distressed;
yet saints their watch are keeping,
their cry goes up, "How long?"
and soon the night of weeping
shall be the morn of song.
Mid toil and tribulation,
and tumult of her war
she waits the consummation
of peace for evermore;
till with the vision glorious
her longing eyes are blessed,
and the great Church victorious
shall be the Church at rest.
Yet she on earth hath union
with God, the Three in one,
and mystic sweet communion
with those whose rest is won.
O happy ones and holy!
Lord, give us grace that we
like them, the meek and lowly,
on high may dwell with thee.
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