give me scripture and not your own wisdom please
I consider myself a CHRIST-follower and don’t hold to a man made position I stand upon Gods truth
Does God allow us the free will to choose Him?
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Miss E, Jun 20, 2020.
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love is a relationship it takes BOTH parties involved to love the other
May God tear down your prideful thinking and bless your heart -
Your view puffs up the chosen peoples pride and to me it makes you look at others as if you’re better and we’re all the same, each one has a choice, just because God didn’t convict your heart to choose him makes them any less loved than the ones that enter into heaven -
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RighteousnessTemperance& Well-Known Member
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If God is all loving , yet also all holy, how could you say God sends people to hell based on his own choice? That paints an awfully wicked God to me to sent whom he pleases to hell without giving them freedom to choose, that is, a chance to choose Faith and be changed by God and given a new heart of flesh. Is that the position you and these others stand for?
God condemns the lost or do the lost condemn themselves and if the lost do indeed condemn themselves, doesn’t that mean they chose to die in their sins? Or did God, being not all loving, throw them down to hell for not having faith in Jesus? -
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RighteousnessTemperance& Well-Known Member
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Disgraceful view on God -
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If I go to a park and give a $5 bill to 5 homeless people there and don’t give to the other 5 homeless in the park am I being unfair? -
RighteousnessTemperance& Well-Known Member
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The Bible says that faith is necessary to salvation...
It is needed for us as men to believe on His Son and it is needed for us to endure all of our trials and tribulations in this life and keep believing.
Because of it, God credits our faith in His Son as righteousness ( Romans 4 ).
Without faith, it is impossible to please God ( Hebrews 11:6 )...
Again, Amen.
But The Lord Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of that faith ( Hebrews 12:2 ).
Yet, that same faith is something that not all men have ( 2 Thessalonians 3:2 ), because it is a gift ( Ephesians 2:8 ).
It is also a fruit of the Spirit ( Galatians 5:22 ).
Therefore, faith is from God via the Spirit of God.
However, God can and does save people apart from us performing any action or set of actions in order to merit His favor.
Eternal life is, without a doubt, a gift, not a reward for making the right choice.
This is about acknowledging His right to save whom He chooses, for that is what the Bible describes salvation as...
A product of His mercy and grace, not our efforts at pleasing Him.
In fact, election bypasses human pride completely, and we then find ourselves abased in His presence...
The recipients of a true gift, and not something that our choice of Him would have ever merited.
The Bible is very specific about our condition before Him as men...
We hate Him and love our sin ( Romans 1:18-32, Romans 3:10-18, John 3:19-20 and many others ).
The Lord Jesus Himself said that we are to marvel not, that the world hates us...
Why?
Because it hated Him first ( 1 John 3:13 ), and before we believed the Gospel, He didn't matter to us, did He?
I speak from experience.
At 12 years old before I heard the preaching of the cross in a Baptist church, I did not care that I was a sinner, neither did I care that my sins offended Him.
That all changed the day I heard His words, but it took many years for me to start loving Him for saving me.
That very same book tells us why we love Him as believers...
Because He first loved us ( 1 John 4:19 ).
Remember that.
Our will would have been to continue on in our sins ( Romans 1:30-32 )...
We would have been as others are, dead in our sins with no care about God ( Ephesians 4:17-19 ).
But He loved us, even when we were dead in those sins ( Romans 5:8, Ephesians 2 ) and didn't care one bit about Him or His ways.
May God bless you greatly in the coming years, and in your continued studies of His precious words. -
Katarina Von Bora Active Member
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Where in the Bible does it teach that God chooses us based on a decision, He knew we would make? No where at all.
Your links don't identify who wrote what and based on what? But they did teach that Christians are chosen by God at least 4 times.
Don't add to scripture. -
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6 But whoso shall offend one of
these little ones which believe in me,
it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
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