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  1. Iconoclast

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    Wonderful post and so many solid quotes. This issue is not easily grasped by those who are given to philosophy, rather than able to correctly welcome biblical truth without contradiction.
    They might have invented a god who is in the image and likeness of man, who has sinful passions, rather than the biblical God making man.
    It is good to read solid biblical posts such as this, and MM , and Reformed.
     
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    If He did then there is no need for the Word (the Son) to be both with God and to be God. John 1:1-3. The Word being the sole agency of cause. John 5:18-19.
     
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  3. Yeshua1

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    Are you saying that God reacted after the Fall happened, so that he had no plan in mind until after that occurred then?
     
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    God does not guess, nor make educated guesses, nor needs to gain any additional knowledge about any given situation, as He always knows all that can be known from eternity! he knows what will happen in future prophecy due to Him already pre arranging events in history and time to make sure always happens Just as He said...
     
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    yes, as they would argue that God had chosen to become part of time just as we now are, so He makes highly educated guesses, but not absolute ones, as waiting on history to fully unfold!
     
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    Sounds like someone is trying to make sure human free will is still fully in play, but as you rightly point out to us, God alone is fully sovereign.
     
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    1. Do you believe that God lies?
    He cannot, as that would be against his very nature!
    2. Do you believe that God's knowledge of the future is exhaustive?
    Yes
    3. If 2 is true, then what is your biblical reference for exhaustive knowledge as oppose to simply knowledge of the future.
    God is alpha and omega, so is before all things, after all things, knows all things
    Have the questions enraged you to the point that you're ready to burn me at the stake?
     
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    While the Son was here on earth with Abraham, was not the Father raining down judgment Himself upon Sodom?
     
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    That is an interpetation. Genesis 19:24. Some things to remember. There is only one LORD God. That was a finite and temporal act. The Son of God according to John 1:3 and John 1:18 should, as I unberstand, to be God's sole cause of all caused things. Since God is unchangeable the Son at not time ceased to be also the very LORD God, John 3:13, KJV, Revelation 1:17-18, Isaiah 44:6.
     
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    The Father was and also fully God back in genesis while doing those things!
     
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    The above is abbreviated from an earlier post of mine for the benefit of Steven and others. You guys have the underlying premise of an improper predication.
     
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    What are you saying here?
     
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    Not temporally, no. All God's reactions are in eternity past, based on his foreknowledge. So I don't believe God ever reacts "after" in the sense of time. He only reacts in a logical order, not a temporal order.

    But I also do not believe God caused the fall by creating Adam and Eve with a penchant toward rebellion. Adam was free without a sin nature which would make his sin inevitable. God knew of his choice in eternity past and reacted to it in eternity past.
     
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    Go to post #23 of mine and read with comprehension.
     
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    What bothers me about this position is it rings of non-concordism. Denis Lamoureux and John Walton propose similar notions, proposing that Scripture was never meant to convey the true history of the earth, but that God merely used the accommodating language of pagan history and science.

    It's the idea that early humans could not grasp the concepts that their modern counterparts can now. Something's amiss with this thinking.
     
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    Some even push this to the degree that Jesus Himself was accommodating to the customs and thoughts of his time, so was wrong about Creation ,demon possession , history of the OT etc!

    if they were so much more stupid than us today, how is it that we still could not do the Pyramids even today as well as they did?
     
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    God as the Father speaks. Luke 3:22. And the Holy Spirit acts. God the Father speaks, Mark 9:7. John 14:8-9, God the Father speaks directly by way of the Son. They are the one God. The Son is the sole agency of cause, John 1:3. John 5:19.
     
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    3 Persons, correct?
     
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    Yes. Without beginning. The one LORD God.
     
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    How could you be with so little understanding? Did you do as I asked and read my post #23?
     
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