So based on "biblical principles" our government...or another perhaps...can justify slaughtering entire populations--men, women, children, and lifestock?
Does Satan support a political party?
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by ajg1959, Sep 22, 2008.
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If you check the Iraq Body Count web site now the number is higher reflecting the number of Iraqi civilians killed since this report was written. -
The Iraqi body count numbers include the muslim homicide bombers who have blown up innocent civilians in Iraq. Let's be clear, it is not the US government who has killed all of these people. Let's be clear how many thousands Saddam killed of his own people. I am sick of this liberal garbage.
So based on "biblical principles" our government...or another perhaps...can justify slaughtering entire populations--men, women, children, and lifestock?Click to expand... -
ajg1959 said:"Non-defensive wars"?
Do you really think that iraq wasnt supplying the terrorists with money and weapons to attack us with? Do you honestly think that Saddam Hussein didnt finance personally part of the 911 attack?Click to expand...
Do you not believe the reports of every major intelligence agency in the world that Hussein was slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Kurds, and even Iraqis, or that his sons were kidknapping and torturing, and killing young girls at their whims?Click to expand...
If you see an old woman getting beating and raped in an alley, should you help her, or would your attack on her attackers be a "non-defensive war"?
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However, if that was the reason, why not intervene in Darfur or Rwanda? Why not--because those weren't strategically important to the interests of our power elite, that's why not. It had nothing to do with humanitarian concerns about the repressed Iraqi people. (Lets not forget that US sanctions in the 1990s, between the two wars, has been thought to have caused an estimated half-million deaths over there.) -
ajg1959 said:Yes Roger, in practice sometimes it is hard to tell the difference, but in principle there is a distinct difference.
I know it is hard to support a party that says it is based on biblical principles and doesnt always live up to them....but it it is even harder to support a party that just outright says up front that they oppose biblical teachings, and will do everything they can to promote ungodly principles.
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Both parties, like the rest of this perverse and corrupt generation are controlled by the god of this world, the prince of the power of the air. I have no confidence in any party. -
48,589,993
Total number of US abortions since Roe v Wade - and the Party of Death supports this wholeheartedly.
# obtained from National Right to Life.
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LadyEagle said:48,589,993
Total number of US abortions since Roe v Wade - and the Party of Death supports this wholeheartedly.
# obtained from National Right to Life.
Information posted for those who want to compare numbers.Click to expand...
My point exactly - neither party has done anything to end this satanic slaughter. -
Thinkingstuff said:Do you have a problem with the USA? I'm curious.Click to expand...
Bibilical principles of Government? Apart from Isreal which instituted a Monarchy there really aren't except if you reason liberty. Government from Moses' perspective was God to the individual following the law up. No centralized government was necissary until they begged God for it. So government is by necisssity from the bottom up. If the bottom is corupt so is the top.Click to expand...
Every Nation in the world had committed some attrocities of some sort.Click to expand... -
LadyEagle said:The Iraqi body count numbers include the muslim homicide bombers who have blown up innocent civilians in Iraq. Let's be clear, it is not the US government who has killed all of these people. Let's be clear how many thousands Saddam killed of his own people. I am sick of this liberal garbage.Click to expand...
If you believe the Book of Revelation, (which I would guess you probably think it's figurative and not literal), then yes, the Government of Jesus Christ will be with a rod of iron when He comes back and yes, entire populations and nations will be slaughtered when He comes back to rule and reign in righteousness. When one doesn't take the Book literally, it distorts one's world view.Click to expand... -
Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite SupporterDoubting Thomas said:So we repsond, how? By unleashing destruction and instability on a nation so that many MORE thousands can die and be maimed, including our own soldiers???Click to expand...
Ah..there's the rub. Neither the USA, nor modern Israel, nor any other nation-state is the Government of Jesus Christ.Click to expand... -
Crabtownboy said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Doubting Thomas
So we repsond, how? By unleashing destruction and instability on a nation so that many MORE thousands can die and be maimed, including our own soldiers???
Because you refuse to face the sad fact that many Iraqi civilians have been killed by US soldiers and bombings. Just like in Afghanstan where many civilians have been killed, especially by bombings. This is a primary reason the allied forces, led by the US, are loosing the support of the people there.Click to expand...
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Ah..there's the rub. Neither the USA, nor modern Israel, nor any other nation-state is the Government of Jesus Christ.
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LadyEagle said:[SNIP] the Party of Death supports this [ABORTION] wholeheartedly.[/SNIP]Click to expand...
Women Closest to Bush Are Pro-Choice. (Curiously, Bush is married to a pro-choicer.)
None of this is to suggest that Democrats do not largely support abortion and that Republicans largely do not. What it is to suggest is this: it is possible to be a Democrat and pro-life (Philip Yancey and Donald Miller come to mind) and Republican and pro-choice (see aforementioned). So while criticism of abortion policy is certainly valid, whole cloth brushes such as your above post would logically render the GOP as the 'party of death' as well.
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Ivon Denosovich said:Since we're name calling (why I have no clue: when you're calmer I'll ask) the GOP boasts its fair share of pro-choicers, several of which prominently served in the current administration, i.e. Ridge, Powell, Rice. You'll recall that Giuliani was a major contendor in the past primary and McCain is said to have seriously considered pro-choice Lieberman as a VP nod, and:
Women Closest to Bush Are Pro-Choice. (Curiously, Bush is married to a pro-choicer.)
None of this is to suggest that Democrats do not largely support abortion and that Republicans largely do not. What it is to suggest is this: it is possible to be a Democrat and pro-life (Philip Yancey and Donald Miller come to mind) and Republican and pro-choice (see aforementioned). So while criticism of abortion policy is certainly valid, whole cloth brushes such as your above post would logically render the GOP as the 'party of death' as well.
In short, LadyEagle, chillax. :)Click to expand... -
LadyEagle said:48,589,993
Total number of US abortions since Roe v Wade - and the Party of Death supports this wholeheartedly.
# obtained from National Right to Life.
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Crabtownboy said:But it is all right for a Republican administration to enter into an unjust war and kill thousands of innocent civilians ... or are they guilty because they live there?
Does God approve of a party that has removed protective environmental barriers and are contributing to the destruction of the air and water we need to sustain life?
Does God approve of a party that promotes huge tax cuts for the rich and gives nothing to the poor?
Does God approve of a party that promotes huge profits for large industries at the expense of everyone?
Does God approve raising the military budget while cutting the budget to food banks that help feed the poor?
Does God approve of a party that runs huge deficits thereby mortgaging the future of our children and grandchildren?
All this and more is the Republican party ...
There is no moral political party in the USA ... no moral political party in the world.Click to expand...
I would accept saving even one unborn babie's life over all of the stuff you mentioned.
Trees, air and water over the life of a baby?
Tax cuts over the life of a baby?
Your opinion of the war over the life of a baby? (thousands of innocent civilians killed by the USA?....have you been watching Rosie Odonnel?)
National debt and deficits over the life of a baby?
Nope, none of this is as important as even one life of one unborn baby.
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C4K said:How many were slaughtered during the administrations of the godly party?Click to expand...
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Ivon Denosovich said:A more interesting question would be: How many were slaughtered during the simultaneous leadership of a Republican President, a Republican Congress, and a Republican majority on the Supreme Court?Click to expand...
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C4K said:Fair question, and it would take some research, but sadly, we are still talking about several million.Click to expand...
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Doubting Thomas said:So based on "biblical principles" our government...or another perhaps...can justify slaughtering entire populations--men, women, children, and lifestock?Click to expand...
Thats not what I said, and you know it so stop twisting it to fit your distorted view.
I said that God has ordered war as drastic as ordering the killing of every living creature including men, women, children, and livestock....but He has never ordered the slaughter of unborn babies or the marriage of gays.
And when anyone says that the war in Iraq is unjust or unchristian, it is merely their opinion, but abortion and homosexuality are strictly going against biblical teachings, with no opinion needed.
AJ
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