:) That is all you ever been taught and its hard to let it go isn't it?
J. Jump; Do you believe that no one is saved as of yet, but will be saved when Christ comes again?
So you say: The Kingdom of Christ is not yet in existence. It will not arrive until Jesus returns. Yet you say, He is your King.
Lets see, if you have a King, and you have subjects, don't that make up a Kingdom.
The Bible says...The Kingdom of God was established in Christ's day while He lived here on earth 2000 years ago. It is a spiritual Kingdom, not an earthly kingdom as millennialists try to teach. Matthew 3:2, 4:17, 10:7, Mark 1:14-15, 9:1, Daniel 2:44, Joel 2:28-29
How many I got against me now? :)
What you gonna do in that thousand years, everyone else is dead?
Dr. Stanley and Eternal Security
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He will one day take rulership away from Satan and assume rulership over the earth.
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He won't have anything to rule if its the earth.
J. Jump; you are Pre-Millennial, are you not? I thought they believed: The present gospel dispensation was not intended to convert the world to Christ. People will be saved after Jesus returns to earth...after the "tribulation" period. -
Brother Bob is Revelation prophect vision or not?
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Of course it was a vision of the past, present and future.
J. Jump; is this what you believe is going to happen?
Christ will then set up His Kingdom on earth with His capital in the city of Jerusalem. The Jews will return to Palestine and restore the ancient sacrifices. Christ, along with His saints, will rule for 1000 years over a world-wide kingdom of righteousness -
Just curious what you are going to do with these verses:
Revelation 2:26-27 - And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers:
When has this taken place Brother Bob?
Revelation 19:15 - From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.
When has Christ ruled the nations with a rod of iron Brother Bob? It can't be at the cross, because not even you can escape that this is clearly talking about the future. So at best it has to be sometime after 50 AD which is the earliest date that I am aware of that Revelation could have been written. -
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He rules with a rod of Iron now and in the end. You either believe or suffer His wrath.
Prophetic, party of what is to come. Partly not Prophetic but tells of the past. Partly not Prophetic but tells what we must do now in the present time.
J. Jump; you are Pre-Millennial, are you not? I thought they believed: The present gospel dispensation was not intended to convert the world to Christ. People will be saved after Jesus returns to earth...after the "tribulation" period.
J. Jump; is this what you believe is going to happen?
Christ will then set up His Kingdom on earth with His capital in the city of Jerusalem. The Jews will return to Palestine and restore the ancient sacrifices. Christ, along with His saints, will rule for 1000 years over a world-wide kingdom of righteousness -
Revelation 2:26-27 - And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers:
Here it is again. Who is the He that overcometh Brother Bob? Who is the He that keepth His works unto the end. When is the end?
When did this person receive the power to rule the nations with Christ? When have the nations been broken to shivers?
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Yes I am.
Christ will return to earth and He will rule the nations with a rode of iron. And yes there will be people that survived the tribulation that will be saved by God's grace through faith during that 1000-year period. There will be children born during that time that will ultimately believe in God's grace through faith. -
You didn't answer this. Is this thousand years going to take in to account Israel and ancient sacrifices?
J. Jump; is this what you believe is going to happen?
Christ will then set up His Kingdom on earth with His capital in the city of Jerusalem. The Jews will return to Palestine and restore the ancient sacrifices. Christ, along with His saints, will rule for 1000 years over a world-wide kingdom of righteousness -
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In the last several years DR. Stanley has slid from his previous years of teachings. I heard him state that one did not have to repent to be saved a few years ago. I contacted the church and they told me that the part about no repentance would be edited out of the tape. Keep in mind that he is getting old and he has went through some serious marriage problems and a divorce.
As to can we live any old way after salvation the answer is no. We are not only kept from losing our salvation we are also kept from living in sin. The false doctrine of backsliding has clouded the scripture and has many people who claim to be saved and really think that they are saved deceived as they live in sin. Little wonder why the Lord said that MANY will say Lord! Lord!
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.
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Only the "souls that were beheaded for the word of God" lived and reigned for a thousand years. If you got scripture, please give it. You will not answer this:
1. J. Jump; is this what you believe is going to happen?
Christ will then set up His Kingdom on earth with His capital in the city of Jerusalem. The Jews will return to Palestine and restore the ancient sacrifices. Christ, along with His saints, will rule for 1000 years over a world-wide kingdom of righteousness -
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II. Historical review of millennial thinking in Christian theology.
A. Early church (c. 100-250) - millennium not emphasized. Variety of views.
B. Early reaction to view of earthly millennium.
1. Origen (c. 185-254) attributed such thinking to heretic, Cerinthus
2. Montanist heresy (c.175) had excesses of earthly millennial views.
3. Rampant speculation to calculate end time.
C. Augustine (354-430) rejected his previous earthly millennial position and interpreted
"1000 years" of Rev. 20 as symbolic of entire period from first coming of Christ to
second coming of Christ.
1. Council of Ephesus (431) condemned earthly millennium interpretation as heretical
superstition.
2. Became orthodox view of Church for centuries.
D. Reformation (sixteenth century) - Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Anabaptists accepted symbolic
interpretation of "1000 years." Regarded Catholic Pope as Antichrist.
E. Seventeenth - nineteenth centuries - gradually revived earthly millennium view.
F. Nineteenth & twentieth centuries.
1. J.N. Darby (Plymouth Brethren), followed by D.L. Moody, C.I. Scofield, H.A. Ironside
(Dallas Theological Sem.), developed theological system of Dispensationalism
incorporating earthly millennium and pre-tribulation rapture of Church. Became a
primarily American theological phenomenon.
2. Majority of theological community (Post-millennial and Amillennial) has regarded
Dispensationalism as a modernist aberrational (disorder of the mind) interpretation.
I know not how true this account is of the thousand year reign, but have heard of Darby before as starting the Pre-millemium doctrine. If this doctrine didn't start until the ninetenth century, give me the Old Time Doctrine.
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Brother Bob,
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The problem with what you cite is not in what it says (nevermind you oversimplified what the link says), but what is not said, here. Here is something else from the very same websight you are referencing
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Ed Sutton; are you a Pre-Millemiumist as J. Jump is?
Is it true this doctrine didn't start until the ninetenth century by Darby?
Is it also true that this was considered as a heritic doctrine until Darby and some others started the Pre-Mil in the late eighteen and early ninetenth centuries?
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This question doesn't make a lot of sense. Your first question asks if his doctrine started with Darby and then this question says it was around before Darby as heretical until Darby did something with it.
I suppose the doctrine of the rapture has been considered heretical by some, but to claim something doesn't make it so. We can see evidence of this all of the BB.
Not sure, but it wouldn't surprise me. He was a little off in some other areas too :laugh:.
I noticed that you still haven't dealt with the two Revelation texts I gave you. Are you going to do that?
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