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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed1689, Oct 16, 2019.

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  1. Calminian

    Calminian Well-Known Member
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    Per this, what I get from Scriptures is that there is no such thing as one who has never heard at least regarding adults (children are a different issue). They have creation externally, and the conscience inwardly, and all men are drawn and enlightened at some point. There is no excuse for anyone who does not seek.
     
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    There is not a single passage that says Christ enlightens every man.
     
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    Again, it says nobody is without excuse to know about God. But knowing about God is not knowing the Gospel. Those are two very different things.
     
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  4. Calminian

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    Really?

    John 1:9 There was the true light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. ​
     
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    Never said otherwise.
     
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    That is not the same sense in which you were trying to argue for enlighten earlier. You are now playing word games. Not every person knows about Christ. That is a fact. Not everyone knows the Gospel, that is FACT.

    You are trying to twist words. The fact is not every person knows the Gospel. So please, address the OP rather than going off on nonsense.
     
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    Then what in the world are you trying to say? Why do you not actually address my OP?
     
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    HERESY
     
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    Wow this is the best argument against he OP you got. Goodbye, you are wasting my time.
     
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    Romans 10:9-10 states very explicitly you cannot be saved without knowing the Gospel.
     
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    Thats what the fool says. God never said those words. and maybe there is possibility the FOOL is the one saying it.

    Pslams

    1The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.”
    They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds;
    There is no one who does good.


    Either way you don't have this applying to all mankind......

    When the scripture specifies one particular group of naughty Israelites leave it to our grammatically challenged brethren to finally see ALL MEANS ALL when ALL isn't even there.
     
    #51 utilyan, Oct 17, 2019
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    I'm so glad you came to the realization that you can't win. So run and hide.
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    I can make up a brand new doctrine called TOTAL STUPIDITY and quote all the same out of context verses for Total Depravity and make my doctrine sound just as true.

    How? Because you can't build the doctrine of either from scripture alone.

    Example everyone sins. I can find a verse for that in 1 John.

    Everyone is short of the glory of God, No kidding he is God, a person can never sin their whole life and they are still short of the glory of God.

    People misbehave. People do bad things. None of that equates to total depravity and is as good for proving it as TOTAL STUPIDITY.
     
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    Knowing the gospel means faith. You don't believe you need faith to be saved. You believe you are saved so you can have faith.
    MB
     
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    Um, I was quoting Romans, which yes, quotes Psalms, but in a different context.
     
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    Knowing the Gospel does not mean faith. That is absurd.
     
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    Oh I definitely did not lose. And I'm not going anywhere, just not wasting time on you.
     
    #57 Reformed1689, Oct 17, 2019
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    I never said, every man knows about Christ. You're making a lot of assumptions, trying to read between the lines. I merely said Christ enlightens every man.

    And you're getting extremely defensive. You're trying so hard to win an argument you're not following what I'm saying.
     
    #58 Calminian, Oct 17, 2019
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    Ok but when you say that in response to what I have been talking about you really confuse things. What am I supposed to think?

    Ever thought you aren't being clear? Try again.
     
    #59 Reformed1689, Oct 17, 2019
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    All I can say is, just because you're confused, doesn't mean I'm being confusing. If someone wants to read things into my words, I can't be responsible for what they infer. I can only be responsible for what I say.
     
    #60 Calminian, Oct 17, 2019
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