Eschatological and Millennial Theories and their problems.

Really?? Not this amillennialist! What book on Amillennialism do you know of that teaches such a thing.

This has more to do with Erastianism and state churches than with eschatology.

 

I believe that Jesus will return, resurrect his saint and take them home to glory... The rapture, the 1,000 year reign and all the various other views, were never taught in my church... That being said I'm truly satisfied in my belief and agree Christ Kingdom is purely Spiritual... You will find all views on here and brethren willing to defend them... I will just watch from the sideline as this discussion has been hashed and rehashed since I joined the BB many, many, years ago... You forgot the Preterist?... You wouldn't happen to be one would you?.. Just checking... Brother Glen

 

Obviously Christ's kingdom is Spirit, God is a spirit..But you have to ignore large sections of scripture and twist many passages to say that the Spiritual Kingdom of God will never be manifested in a Physical kingdom as well...

There is a physical kingdom coming. the bible teaches it.

 

I'm historic premellennialist. Just because the Kingdom is among us spiritually for now, does not mean His Kingdom will not come to and His will not be done on earth as it is in heaven.

One day Jesus returns the bible tells us. One day Jesus rules the earth we are told.

To not believe in a physical kingdom is for Jesus to never get a kingdom, for His will never to be done on earth as it is in heaven, and for the Father's Kingdom never come with His Son.

 

I am British and we do not have separation of Church and State in the same way it is in the USA. However, I am unaware of any Amillennialist who believes that Christ's physical kingdom is here now

There will be a physical kingdom in the new heaven and new earth when the saints are resurrected with physical resurrection bodies (1689 Confession 31:2-3).

 

And I believe that you do not understand dispensational premillennial theology. It does not "teach the Kingdom of God is physical" except in the sense that Heaven is physical (and it is). It teaches that the throne of David is physical. Christ is already king of the Kingdom of God. However, during the millennium He will reign on David's throne. That is a huge difference.

Alva McClain's book, The Greatness of the Kingdom, is the classic on the dispensational doctrine of the kingdom. He wrote, "That the throne in heaven, to which Christ ascended and where He now sits, cannot be equated with the throne of David, should need no argument, for the two are never so identified in Scriptures (cf. Rev. 3:21). And Peter distinguishes between them in Acts 2:30 with 34" (p. 401).

 

That's akin to Gnosticism (not saying you are a Gnostic), which taught that everything physical is evil. As for "physical kingdom theories" being about walking by sight, where is that in the Bible? Please stick to the Word of God and not your opinions.

What you appear to be saying is that if Jesus sits on a physical throne, He is no longer doing anything spiritual, and that is absolutely ridiculous.

Furthermore, Heaven is a real, physical place, so Jesus is right now sitting on the real, physical throne of the Kingdom of God. Deny these truths and you have huge theological problems.

That's the Kingdom of God, not the throne of David.

You are mixing up the Gospel. What is your definition of the Gospel? There is no reason a future kingdom would be included in the Gospel of Jesus or Paul. The future kingdom is not about personal salvation.

 

Jesus Physical Ascension

Acts 1
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

Jesus ascended physically into heaven and the promise is that He Himself will return in the same way.
a visible bodily return with the addition that every eye will see Him (Revelation 1:7).

Zechariah prophesied His return to the same place from whence He left.

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

 

I am sorry but your post reveals your ignorance about these issues. When you actually know what these people believe get back to us.

 

An overall VERY general view:
His kingdom is both physical and spiritual.

Ultimately the material world which groans being subject to death (entropy) will be released from bondage and pass away in a great conflagration and we will enter into the eternal state.

Romans 8
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

 

Woooh wait. You create an op, devoid of any scripture accusing people, with whom you disagree with of holding to positions they do not hold to which is in fact a strawman and then when you are called on your intentional misrepresentation you demand scripture?

When you post something that is correct and true and is worth a real rebuttle I'll be glad to. So long as you post this drivel, I'll just call you on it crabtownboy.