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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Calminian, Mar 21, 2019.

  1. Calminian

    Calminian Well-Known Member
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    I asked this below question about a dozen times in a previous thread.

    ....Is Sunday (the first day of the week) the third day?

    I was not able to get a single response from Wednesdayers. I know it poses problems, but I'm sure there's an answer.
     
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    Our Wednesday evening - 6pm to 6am is the first part of Thursday - night part of thursday
    Thursday from 6am to 6pm - day part of thursday (Christ not put in grave just before 6pm)
    Thursday 6pm to 6am - FIRST FULL EVENING - night part of Friday
    Friday 6am to 6pm - FIRST FULL DAY - day part of Friday
    Friday 6pm to 6am - SECOND FULL EVENING - night part of Saturday
    Saturday 6am to 6pm. - SECOND FULL DAY - day part of Saturday
    Saturday 6pm. to 6am - THIRD FULL EVENING - night part of Sunday
    Sunday 6am to 6pm - THIRD FULL DAY - day part of Sunday


    The Lord's Supper after 6pm on our Wednesday their Thursday evening and trials all through the evening.

    Christ on the cross on thursday but not put into grave until just before 6 pm

    Hence, Sunday between 6am and 6pm would be THE THIRD FULL DAY since the resurrection and burial of Christ.
     
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    Okay, but it still doesn't work. Here are charts from both the common and jewish perspective of days. You can clearly see Sunday cannot possibly be the third day in either scenario, even if counting is delayed until Thursday night (the start of Friday). In both scenarios, If the crucifixion is Wednesday, Saturday is the third day.

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    And frankly, the counting shouldn't be delayed because the crucifixion started in the morning, as did the handing over, which Cleopas includes in the timeline (Luke 24:20-21).
     
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    deleted: wrong thread.
     
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    No, neither scenario matches what I provided for you. He did not get into the tomb until just before 6 pm on Friday evening (our thursday evening) Hence, Friday evening would be the first full night while Friday day (6am to 6pm) would be the first full daying making Sunday 6am-6pm the third full day.
     
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    So you don't believe he was crucified Wednesday?

    Here is the chart according to the jewish perspective of days.

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    Or are you really advocating Jesus was not buried until 23 hours after he died?

    Or perhaps you're advocating for Thursday?
     
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    No, I don't believe he was crucified on Wednesday but observed the Lord's Supper on Wednesday evening. So, I take it you are aiming at those who believe in a Wednesday crucifixion? Sorry, misunderstood the Wednesday reference.
     
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    Oh, okay, no problem. Yes, this thread is specifically about the Wednesday timeline.
     
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    The 14th was the day prior to its following evening 15th (Mark 14:12; Exodus 12:6; Exodus 12:18; Mark 14:17). The 15th was a holy day where no work would be done except food perperation (Leviticus 23:6-7). So Jesus' body could not b taken down from the cross until it (the 15th) ended that following evening (Mark 15:42).
     
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    If you're a Wednesdayer, please address the OP.
     
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    In 1969 I looked at the question Wedensday or Friday. R. A. Torrey in his book, Difficulties in the Bible, presented a Wednesday view. So I looked to the New Testament account itself to resolve the question. Jewish days begin in the evening. Mark 14:12 (Exodus 12:18) as the day before the following evening Mark 14:17. And that understanding also made the day before the Sabbath begin after the crucifixion, Mark 15:42.
    I discovered for myself that Thrusday was the day of the crucifixion. And that I had never heard, nor had that occured to me to be as an outcome. Further study over the years further confirmed this. John 12:1-2 "they made Him a supper," was not on a Sabbath, this being the day before Jesus' entery into Jerusalem, John 12:12, that next day. That was therefore not a Sunday.
     
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    The thread is addressed to Wedesdayers.
     
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    Calminian,
    re: "The thread is addressed to Wedesdayers."

    Good luck with that. I've tried to keep topics that I've started on topic but have never been successful; to the extent that many times even the first reply has been off topic.
     
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    There is no support for a Wednesday crucifixion, but there is both calendar and Scripture support for Thursday pre-dawn trials, morning travel, lifting of cross at 9:00AM, death at 3:00PM, burial by 6:00PM Thursday.

    Both Wednesday or Friday does not conform to the Jews events and calendar.
     
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    I disagree. Luke 24 demands a Friday crucifixion by the Jewish calendar. Thursday would be too many days.
     
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    Somewhere on this topic (not this thread) I shared a link to the Jewish festival aligned with the calendar of various years. To have a Friday crucifixion would place the Lord in his late thirties, not the age he actually was.

    Luke 24 demands a Thursday crucifixion, not a Friday.
     
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    Sorry, this is fake news at best. Not sure where you got this, but it's ridiculous.

    Luke 24 demands that Sunday was the 3rd day as it was still going on.
     
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    That isn’t the point.

    Sunday was the resurrection morning. There is no way to get three days and three nights unless you have a Thursday before sundown burial.
     
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    You just need three days since the crucifixion, and three days and three nights since the arrest of Jesus. Thursday gives us four days, if Sunday is the ongoing third day.

    The three days and three nights only works, if we start with Thursday night (from the common perspective of days). If you add Thursday day, you've got too many days.

    When Jesus was walking on the road to Emmaus, Cleopas said, the third day was still passing.

    Young's:

    Luke 24:21 ….this third day is passing to-day, since these things happened.

    This makes it crystal clear that the third day had not passed, but was happening at that moment while they were talking. This makes Friday our only option.

    Mounce verifies this with his rendering, using the word "now."

    Luke 24:21 ….Indeed besides all this, but it is now the third day since these things happened.

    If Sunday is the 3rd day, Saturday is the 2nd, Friday is the 1st. Adding Thursday day gives us too many days. Also, Thursday is not the preparation day.

    Thursday night is when Christ was incarcerated and given over to sinful men. That's the 3rd night that Jesus was speaking of in the sign of Jonah. It all works out perfectly.
     
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    Not true. Three days from the burial, not the arrest not even the death. Such is not supported by the example the Lord gave of Jonah. Jonah was buried in the sea. Spent three days and nights in the belly of the fish.


    There is no problem with the Lord walking along a road on the afternoon of His resurrection. That doesn't move the day of crucifixion at all. What it does, is confirm that Friday isn't the day, but Thursday is the day.

    Yep, which agrees just fine with His burial being on Thursday. We all agree His resurrection took place on Sunday just prior to sunrise. Why do you think the guards fled in terror! The brightness of His ascension in that dawning eclipsing the rising sun must have been truly awesome!

    No, your timing is off. Work backwards.
    Sunday just before sunrise - the resurrection - the day started at sundown on our Saturday.
    Saturday at sunrise - in the tomb - the second day and night. After sunset, the ladies would continue the preparation for the trek to the tomb at sunrise. Note: Jews forbidden to work on both the Passover and the High Sabbath (Saturday). The ladies had to wait until sunset Saturday evening to prepare to leave at sunrise for the tomb.
    Friday at sunrise - in the tomb - the first day and night (remember the Jews start their day at sundown the day before we start ours).
    Thursday - placed in the tomb just before sunset because the full preparation for burial was not completed obliging the ladies to return on Sunday morning as the sun rose to finish.​

    Three complete days and nights, just as Jonah was referred to by the Lord.

    Also, according to the calendar of that year (remember there are only two years the Lord could have died, one places Him in His late 30's, the other in His early 30's) there were two back to back Sabbaths. One the Passover (on Friday) with the slaying of the lamb at 3:00 Thursday (the moment Christ died) and then the regular Saturday Sabbath. This phenomena did not occur for a number of years before (prior to the beginning of the Lord's ministry) or after the crucifixion.

    Here are a few references that you can get highly specific information about days, dates, calendar:
    Jesus Died on a Thursday not a Friday
    The Chronology of Christ's Crucifixion and Resurrection

    There are problems with all approaches to this topic.
    Many do not make account for the 10 days "skipped" (riots broke out in London) in1752.
    Some do not remember that the Passover moved about and was also considered a Sabbath day.
    And when converting the Jewish calendar to the Gregorian (or vise versa) the "leap year" problem gets in the way because the Jews do not have a leap year, so there is a three year "gap."

    I have gone into this far further than I ever intended.

    You can make of it all what you desire. I consider the RCC traditional Friday as just another celebration they incorporated from pagan worship.

    Frankly, for those believers who desire a traditional Friday celebration is not a problem, I don't celebrate that day anyway. Why celebrate the crucifixion. It was ugly.

    If anything, I rise in awe that my Lord would do such for me. But I do so rejoice in the resurrection. That day is the hope of all believers.

    "He has risen, indeed!"
     
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