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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Calminian, Mar 21, 2019.

  1. Shoostie

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    I think Percho's post was on topic, a Wednesday version of things. As for Friday, that's completely irredeemable and it's defenders have no alibi.
     
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    We have Luke and Cleopas who testify that Sunday was the 3rd day. You say Sunday is the 5th day. I trust the former witnesses.
     
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    Calminian,

    You have a question directed to you in post #32.
     
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    It's a faulty premised question. There is no such thing as the "first day since all this took place." If some events took place in the morning and we were talking in the afternoon we'd say, this all took place on this continuing day. Or something along those lines.

    If we were talking the next day we'd say, this day today is the second day since all this took place. The day after that we'd say, this day today is the third day since all this took place.

    And BTW, Cleopas' statement is crystal clear that the day in which he was taking was the on-going third day they were still in.

    Per Young's Literal Translation, Luke 24:21 ….this third day is passing to-day, since these things happened.

    Per Mounce, Luke 24:21 ….Indeed besides all this, but it is now the third day since these things happened.
     
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    3 Day and Nights Recovered-Decoding Luke 24:21
     
  6. Shoostie

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    I read Luke 24:21 to say the third day has passed. I noticed long ago that this is the only verse where "ago" is translated "is", and "is" doesn't fit the context.

    Jews weren't certain someone was dead until they had been dead three days. So, saying the third day has passed means giving up all hope. And, those who try to count two nights and one day as three days and three nights are building an argument that Jesus didn't die, as well as spouting complete nonsense about what constitutes three days and three nights.

    The disciples knew Jesus taught the third day, and "three days and three nights". It makes no sense that they would have given up, especially with the empty tomb, if the third day hadn't finished.
     
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    re: "It's a faulty premised question. There is no such thing as the 'first day since all this took place.'"

    That is incorrect. If there was a 3rd day since something happened, then there had to be a 2nd day since that something happened and then naturally a 1st day since that something happened. Four calendar days would be involved.
     
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    Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Luke 24:21.
     
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    re: "Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Luke 24:21."

    That is correct.
     
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    People are still sometimes confused by the "High Sabbath" that week, which was one of the 2 "Holy Convocations" decreed by God to occur after the paschal lamb meal day & on the last day of unleavened bread. When Jesus ate the "last Supper", it was the beginning of a new day, which had begun at sunset. All the events of Jesus' "passion" occurred before the next sunset. That coming day was a "High Sabbath", not the regular weekly one. (The Jews called all holy days or special feast days "High Sabbaths". They followed the rules of the regular Sabbath, as well as the special rules for that occasion. It could, of course, fall on the regular Sabbath as well, with no rule changes.)

    I believe Jesus was resurrected Saturday eve, just before sunset. Remember, He was already resurrected early Sunday AM.
     
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    What is the historiical date you have for the crucifixion?
    Mark 14:12 was the 14th of Nisan, Exodus 12:18.
    Mark 14:17 would be the 15th of Nisan.
    I have the Julian date of April 6th 30AD. Which was a Thursday.
     
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    I see Wednesday, Apr. 28, 28 AD as the date, based upon Luke's statement that the events of Jesus' birth occurred while Quirinius was governor of Judea. This was from about 6 BC til 2 BC as Quirinius led a campaign against the Homonadenses, a mountain tribe. (Not only did he subdue them; his kind treatment of them afterwards made them into Roman allies.) This made Jesus about 33 years old in the late 20s AD. 28 would make Him born C.5 BC. (Herod died in 4 BS, & Jesus was already born then.)
     
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    Misses the Jewish Passover by one month. Being the 14th of Iyyar the month following Nisan.
     
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    re: "Just as Jonah willingly entered the sea and the belly of the whale..."

    I'm not aware of any scripture which says that. What do you have in mind?
     
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    OOPS - cancel that as I read the account incorrectly.
     
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    But 3 days and nights would make that Sunday evening.
    The body taken down from the tomb as the sabbath, the high day was approaching,in the middle of the week, the 5th day beginning, during the 6th day the women bought spices and prepared them and rested on the Sabbath, the 6th day. Towards the end of the sabbath the women set out for the tomb, They arrived at the tomb on the first day while it was "yet dark" Jesua had already risen.

    Jesus a crucified in the middle of the week, Daniel 9:27. He was cut off in the middle of a prophetic week and also a literal week.
     
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    No it doesnt
     
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    Saturday evening/Sunday evening. End of the sabbath.
     
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    Are you trying to count a full 24 hour day
     
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    Twilight between the sabbath and the first day. Saturday/Sunday
     
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