Many Christians assume that retired or former pastors should not continue to attend the church they pastored as a member. I disagree with that. I am not talking about former pastors who were terminatd or caused a lot of conflicts. Let's say that a pastor feels led to start a full-time counseling ministry and many people at the church desire to give him an office for his counseling minsitry. He will not be paid a salary by the church at all. He will just get to use the office for free and continue to minister to people at church. Many pastors are not gifted in deep counseling and a full-time counseling ministry would be a tremendous blessing to the new pastor.
I was very disappointed with the policy at http://www.ministerscouncil.com/Cle...onships/ethics_for_retiring_pastors_and_.aspx. I understand completely that sometimes retiring pastors can be controlling. But I feel that many retired pastors should be able to stay at their church if they desire. I feel this policy is legalistic. There is nothing in the Bible that says that retired or former pastors cannot stay at the same church that they pastored.
There is definitely nothing wrong with former or retired pastors doing weddings, funerals, and baptisms. In fact, I know of one little boy who wanted his former pastor to baptize him in the creek and there were no objections. I think that churches should hire a new pastor who would be glad to work with the former pastors. There should be no jealousy at all. Good pastors would have no problem with the former pastor doing baptisms, funerals, and weddings.
Now, I agree completely that the new pastor should be responsible for the administration of the church and that the retired/former pastor should not “run” the church.
I feel that the policy limits what God could do. I know it has hurt a lot of families. Think about a pastor who has been at a church for about 17 years and his family has been a very important part of the church. I feel it is unfair to encourage pastors to stop attending a church they pastored. “Pat Christian answers” are not the best.
I would be interested in hearing thoughts from different people on this matter. Don't focus on difficult former pastors or former pastors who caused some major conflicts. Think about laid back former pastors.
Former Pastors Remaining Active at Church They Pastored
Discussion in 'Pastoral Ministries' started by PrivateWoman, Sep 9, 2010.
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Sometimes the former pastor's presence can intimidate the new pastor, so he must be very careful about how he behaves in the church. He can unwittingly direct members away from the new pastor.
I am very careful in Bible classes and in church services that I keep as low a profile as possible.
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Who cares what that liberal organization says on the subject?
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I would not take a church, where the former pastor was still attending.
In my personal case, after our church closed, all the members (very few) started attending the same church. I kept a very low profile.
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Salty, Why would you say NO right off the bat? Wouldn't it depend on the man's personality and not just the fact he was a former pastor?
I sit in the back row with wife, only speak when spoken to and never involve myself in church affairs. The pastor is a young man in his first church. When I speak with him it is only in a social sense.........Maybe I know that I could be intimidating if I wanted to be.
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See, I guess I could see it working fine in our church since if our pastor retired, the new pastor would be the senior associate pastor who has been at the church for over 25 years. We hire from within so there's no "new blood" so to speak that we'd need to be careful of or anything. We have 11 pastors in line and I think we're good for .... LOTS of years (the youngest pastor is 23). :)
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I don't attend this church, but I found it interesting that the old pastor served as a pastor of this church for about 46 years. His wife is still a Sunday School teacher. You can see the information at http://www.buffaloridgebaptist.org/?page_id=23. This shows the "pat" Christian answer is not always right. It can certainly work. I bet that the pastor emetrius encourages this new pastor. Some good former pastors talk about what a wonderful job the new pastor does. :)
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A friend of mine's dad stayed at the church he pastored and retired at. He was a huge help and blessing to everyone. He introduced the new pastor to the congregation and blessed him in front of the congregation. The current pastor will tell you today as he has in the past that he gives the former pastor a lot of credit for his success. A few years ago the former pastored died and his wife and children and grandkids are heavily involved in the church. One of the children helped a former staff member plant a new church in a neighboring town that the church decided to plant. So it can work well if done right.
In the second church I pastored was a retired pastor who helped me a lot and gave me a lot of encouragement. Those men can be a great resource instead of putting them "on the shelf".
Some pastors have pastored in a small town and have a business there, what are they to do? Shut down their business and go somewhere else to another town or stay in town and go to a pentecostal church? What kind of example is that? Some churches need the old pastor to stay so the "bulldogs" don't give the new pastor trouble. -
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First of all retirement is not necessarily a Biblical imperative. If one decides to do that it is fine but he should either work with the new pastor or leave.
I was interim for a year with the retired pastor present. He had started the church and nurtured it for years. He and his wife had build their home in the small town with their own hands/finances. No real reason to leave.
He was a gracious man, never said boo to me nor the deacons about their direction - simply blended into the membership.
If a man is going to be a splinter then leaving should be expected, but if he is going to remain an asset to the church why leave - his gifts didn't retire :laugh: -
In some situations, I could see where it would be problematic from a leadership standpoint.
Some ministers are better than others at remaining "in the background." Some just have to be in charge--and those are the ones that I think tend to have issues surrounding them.
But, having said all that...we come back to that good ol' "Local Church Autonomy" issue. God bless it.... :D -
I was begged by a church to remain at the church I was about to leave. "Stay on to teach a SS Class" they said. "And, that way, if our new pastor can't be there to preach or visit......." You get the idea.
I have seen many times where a retired pastor has stayed at the church (Most accept that it's wise counsel not to do this). Without exception, it's blown up every single time and the old pastor has had to leave and the new pastor in many of those circumstances is the fall guy, whether true or not.
In my humble opinion, no pastor worth his salt would ask to do this. If God is moving you away from a church, move on. If he isn't, stay as pastor. You can't have your cake and eat it too. -
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If the church realizes that the former pastor is no longer the pastor, and he doesn't continue "pastoring" people in the church, it might be fine. But, if his name is no longer on the sign, but he is still considered to be the pastor or considers himself to be the pastor, that won't work.
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But I have a retired missionary who is one of the most capable preachers, soul winner and leader I have ever known. He spoke to me when he started visiting and asked if I would "ok" with him worshipping us. He was in every service for the next 5 years and never would preach even though i asked him regularly. Finally after 5 years he would speak up in Bible study. Now he preaches for me regularly. He is an absolute joy to pastor.
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Read "To Great a Temptation" by Joel Gregory
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Does God want the retired pastor to remain in the church? That should be what matters, not potential insecurities. Of course the retired pastor needs to understand the definition of "retired". I don't see anywhere in Scripture where a pastor is encouraged or told to retire, I always thought it was a life long calling....as long as you can do it you should, not 65 and done.
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Interestingly, this morning an interim pastor told me of a recent experience. He decided to remain at a church he'd served as interim because he took the interim right after retiring from another local church and knew he couldn't go back to that church. After six months, he left the church he served as interim because people still looked at him as the pastor and it undermined the ministry of the new pastor. And that's what we're talking about. Why would anyone want to do something that would undermine the ministry of God's appointed Shepherd? They can couch it in whatever language they want. It's not to God's glory or the church's good to undermine the fellowship and unity of the people, nor the role and function of the pastor. -
It seems that we're placing the entire burden on the retired pastor, when sometimes it's the congregation's fault. The members can sometimes be the ones who won't accept the former pastor's role. Then it's up to him to take the initiative to make sure that the members understand that he's not their pastor any more.
Some here have already discovered the solution. The retired pastor publicly embraces the new pastor, compliments to him, defers to him, and sits on the back row. -
As for the second church you pastored, did you already know the retired pastor before you came? If not, how did you get to know him? Did he remain at that church during the interim period or did he go to another church for a while?
I understand completely that there are situations where the old pastor should not continue to attend the church. That could be a problem if the retired pastor wanted to control.
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