Can you and or Skan solve your own problem and after it be solved continue in the perfect for any given period of time?
Is not the, "saved," man to weak to carry himself through to the end?
I thank God that even in my weakness he will save me.
Who can deliver me from the body of this death?
Free will makes God appear impotent.
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by convicted1, Aug 9, 2014.
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Why did those babies who died in the womb, die?
Will they need to be born again to enter the kingdom of God, that is eternal life.
And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? Luke 18:18 Equating inheriting to entering the kingdom of God. V25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. and V30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting -
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Men need to be born again because they have spiritually died. Little babies and children have not sinned and spiritually died.
Paul shows this in Romans 7. He tells of when he learned the law. He would have not known sin except for the law. Then Paul tells us he was ALIVE without the law ONCE. He was not spiritually dead, he was not separated from God by sin.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Paul cannot possibly be teaching he was physically dead here. He is teaching that he was spiritually alive, but when he learned the law he became accountable. Sin used the law against him to convict him of sin and kill him. He thought the law would lead to life, but instead it lead to his death.
This scripture is very plain and not complicated to understand. Paul is clearly teaching he was not spiritually dead until he learned the law. Without the law, sin is dead, it has no authority or power over anyone. Without law sin is not imputed.
That is why eating from the tree of knowledge and good and evil spiritually killed Adam and Eve. The moment they understood right from wrong they were convicted of their sin and died.
Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
This is why the scriptures say there is none that do good, no, not one. It is speaking of 100% sinless perfection. To be "good" you have to be absolutely sinless like God himself. This is why the scriptures say "for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God"
It is not saying that men cannot do good things. When you tell the truth, that is good, that is obeying God's law. But you must be perfectly good to merit or inherit eternal life. Only Jesus has done this. -
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Ro. 2:12-15
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) -
This does not apply to babies and little children though, Paul said he was alive without the law once. The law was written almost 1500 years before Paul was born, so, he could not have been saying he was alive when the law did not exist. No, he was speaking of when he was a child and did not know and understand the law. It is knowing the law that makes a person accountable before God, this is why Adam and Eve spiritually died when they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. -
Winman, you may be at home looking at this : All who sin apart from the law perish apart from the law.
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