http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2006/06/30/gains_are_seen_against_insurgency/
Gains are seen against insurgency
Zarqawi's death exposed fighters, US military says
By Kim Gamel, Associated Press | June 30, 2006
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BAGHDAD -- The US military claimed an advantage in the fight against Al Qaeda in Iraq yesterday, saying raids since the death of its leader have forced many of its foreign fighters out into the open to be captured or killed.
Gains are seen against insurgency
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by carpro, Jul 1, 2006.
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Good news! Maybe we can finish reconstruction and get out soon.
Do you think we're going to keep a permanent military base there? After all, we wanted to get our people out of Saudi Arabia and we gotta put them some place. Some place near Iran, maybe? -
If it can be done with the approval of the Iraqi government, I do believe that a permanent base in Iraq would be in the our best interest.
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Do as we say, not as we do.
BTW, in another "improvement" Shiite gangs entered a neighborhood, and sytematically killed something like 50 Sunnis. Shortly after, a car bomb killed a number of people at a Shiite mosque.
The US is trying to convince both sides to avoid attacking those who were'nt actually involved.. -
BTW, even if we killed every last member of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, we'd only be back even to the point we were before we invaded.
The only reason Al-Qaeda was able to operate in Iraq was because we made it possible for them. -
It's a tough job.
Muslims seem to be best at killing each other. It didn't just start 3 years ago. -
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insurgency
Every time there are new lies in the press we get a new word. Don't recall "insurgency" used by the press until this war. -
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Then, as was the case when Tito died in Yugoslavia, we removed Saddam, and more importantly, destroyed the government right down to the precinct level.
And the rest is history. -
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Muslims seem to be best at killing each other. It didn't just start 3 years ago.
It's convenient how you just dismiss the 300,000 Iraqis Saddam killed while he was running things.
BTW "Quickly removed" is a nice way to say killed. Odd how you say the killing just started 3 years ago, then in almost the next sentence say that Saddam killed or "quickly removed" those that caused trouble.
Maybe you'd like to try life under Saddam or his kind. I'm sure it could be arranged. There are plenty of murderous muslim dictators around. -
Galatian, you seem to be forgetting about the Kurds. There was genocide in Iraq, just as there has been genocide in virtually every muslim country, including Turkey, Iran, etc. It is the way of islam, genocide, is, to include the countries falling like dominoes in Africa and other regions like Indonesia, where "infidels" are killed as the spread of islam takes root. Islam is linked shoulder to shoulder in political ideology with Nazi fascisim. This is the third jihad.
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Never hate your enemies. Understand what motivates them. That way you aren't such easy prey for them. -
:confused: Please tell us how your post backs your other contention that the killing only started 3 years ago.
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Muslims seem to be best at killing each other. It didn't just start 3 years ago.
Galation:
Actually, it did. Shiites and Sunnis were safe on the streets in Iraq, unless they crossed Saddam. He made sure that anyone who tried to start religious conflict was quickly removed.
You're not making sense. You just refuted your own statement. -
Barbarian observes:
BTW, even if we killed every last member of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, we'd only be back even to the point we were before we invaded.
The only reason Al-Qaeda was able to operate in Iraq was because we made it possible for them.[/quote]
carpro responds:
Actually, it did. Shiites and Sunnis were safe on the streets in Iraq, unless they crossed Saddam. He made sure that anyone who tried to start religious conflict was quickly removed.
carpro tries a quick shuffle:
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OK, if you say so.
Tens of thousands of Shiites were killed by Saddam and his Sunni henchmen.
Must have been some other reason than religion.:rolleyes:
This is pretty amazing. I didn't know we had so many Saddam apologists on board.
Oh well, maybe Bush haters have to also be Saddam apologists in order to make it work. -
Originally Posted by The Galatian
There was no religious strife in Iraq when Saddam was in charge
Youi didn't know this, um?
Or did you just lose your temper and make up the nastiest accusation you could think of? It might feel good at the time, but there are consequences for that sort of thing.
If you can't be nice, be careful.
Let me explain it one more time:
The problem with you, carpro, is you feel the need to make anyone you hate, the devil incarnate. You reacted furiously when I pointed out that Saddam (for completely amoral reasons) did some things that benefited the Iraqi people. A rational look would have been a lot more sensible. And if that rationality had ruled a few years ago, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in.
Never hate your enemies. Understand what motivates them. That way you aren't such easy prey for them. -
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Thanks for the sermon, Galation, but I've got my own pastor.
Why do you feel the need to say I lost my temper or "reacted furiously" to your patently absurd statement that the muslims killing each other in Iraq did not begin until we entered the picture?
Is that supposed to somehow lend legitimacy to your absurdity? :smilewinkgrin: Incredulity is a more apt description than any other adjective having to do with anger.
The way I had to look at your statement was that you were either uninformed or stupid. I don't believe you are either. So it had to be intentional. The only thing I could come up with, since you seem so sincere about doing it, was that you were a Saddam apologist. Well, maybe not.
Maybe you just jumped to the conclusion that I was talking strictly about religious motivation. I don't see how anyone could ever challenge the statement that muslims did not just begin to kill each other 3 years. I didn't mention the reasons for the killing. They may have been primarily religious or political or tribal, but they were killing each other by the thousands and have been for years.
BTW Saddam is very much a Sunni muslim as well as a Baathist politically, and personally ordered the killing of many thousands of Shiites. You can nitpick about his reasons if you wish, but the fact is he is a muslim and was ordering the killing of other muslims. -
The only reason Al-Qaeda was able to operate in Iraq was because we made it possible for them.[/quote]
carpro responds:
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Muslims seem to be best at killing each other. It didn't just start 3 years ago.
Barbarian observes:
Actually, it did. Shiites and Sunnis were safe on the streets in Iraq, unless they crossed Saddam. He made sure that anyone who tried to start religious conflict was quickly removed.
No wonder I thought you were angry. Also, claiming that I was an "apologist" for him, when I told you that he was as bad as they come, that was a big tip-off. You obviously lost your temper, and decided to get personal. Always a big mistake.
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