God and free will

[atpollard]

There is no way Calvinism can portray a morally superior God because his motives themselves are based on evil selfish anthropomorphic view of a vindictive man, much like pagan views of God of the time.

When you have that attitude as the base rather then scripture, your not building God's character from Jesus.

Jesus would never want you to rape anyone, Jesus would never want you to sin.

If someone asked does Jesus want one to torture or rape anyone.......only a Calvinist is expected to shrug with "maybe".

The police didn't plan to torture a child for their own glory.

There is no way Calvinism can portray a morally superior God because his motives themselves are based on evil selfish anthropomorphic view of a vindictive man, much like pagan views of God of the time.

When you have that attitude as the base rather then scripture, your not building God's character from Jesus.

Jesus would never want you to rape anyone, Jesus would never want you to sin.

If someone asked does Jesus want one to torture or rape anyone.......only a Calvinist is expected to shrug with "maybe".

Thats pathetic, snap out and repent, repent literally as in change your mind have a good look.

Genesis 50:20 ... true or false? (Jesus would never want anyone to sin, right?)

 

[atpollard]

The police didn't plan to torture a child for their own glory.

God could have done something and chose to allow the evil to happen. One cannot escape the fact that God allowed a child to be tortured when He had the power to stop it.

There is no way Calvinism can portray a morally superior God because his motives themselves are based on evil selfish anthropomorphic view of a vindictive man, much like pagan views of God of the time.

I agree that God's motives are not "based on evil selfish anthropomorphic view of a vindictive man". God's motives are largely unknown except for what He has chosen to reveal "our good and God's glory".

When you have that attitude as the base rather then scripture, your not building God's character from Jesus.

Calvinism does base its views on scripture. It just places more emphasis on the sinfulness of man and the gift of grace than the responsibility of man to repent.

Jesus would never want you to rape anyone, Jesus would never want you to sin.

We (Catholics and Calvinists) both agree.

If someone asked does Jesus want one to torture or rape anyone.......only a Calvinist is expected to shrug with "maybe".

The issue becomes who one is talking about. God has one expectation and desire for His children and another purpose for the "vessels of wrath created for destruction".

Thats pathetic, snap out and repent, repent literally as in change your mind have a good look.

I agree about the definition of "repent". Was Pharaoh called to repent when God "hardened his heart"? If not, then God does not call all men to repent all of the time, does he.
... "God gave them over": Romans 1:24, Romans 1:26, Romans 1:28

 

[utilyan]

God's motives are largely unknown

No that is part of your problem. The motive is Love. God is Love.

He commands all to obey him and not sin, but you still don't have a clue what he wants?


Even Jesus says everything the Father taught him has been made known to us., if you don't know then take a hint. God's will is not a mystery. Its quite simple he is GOOD doing the best for all.

What a good man calls victory is very different from a evil man as is from a wise man and a fool.

Calvinism ran with a poorly thought out perspective of what is power, dominance, and justice, no different from a pagan god perspective which is flawed. The same old short sighted bigotry rebranded.

Because of their stone age view of power they deemed destroying God's good character was the only way to make their wrong view of God to work.

 

[Yeshua1]

The police didn't plan to torture a child for their own glory.

There is no way Calvinism can portray a morally superior God because his motives themselves are based on evil selfish anthropomorphic view of a vindictive man, much like pagan views of God of the time.

When you have that attitude as the base rather then scripture, your not building God's character from Jesus.

Jesus would never want you to rape anyone, Jesus would never want you to sin.

If someone asked does Jesus want one to torture or rape anyone.......only a Calvinist is expected to shrug with "maybe".

Thats pathetic, snap out and repent, repent literally as in change your mind have a good look.

Does eternal Hell exist to you?

 

[Yeshua1]

No that is part of your problem. The motive is Love. God is Love.

He commands all to obey him and not sin, but you still don't have a clue what he wants?


Even Jesus says everything the Father taught him has been made known to us., if you don't know then take a hint. God's will is not a mystery. Its quite simple he is GOOD doing the best for all.

What a good man calls victory is very different from a evil man as is from a wise man and a fool.

Calvinism ran with a poorly thought out perspective of what is power, dominance, and justice, no different from a pagan god perspective which is flawed. The same old short sighted bigotry rebranded.

Because of their stone age view of power they deemed destroying God's good character was the only way to make their wrong view of God to work.

God is Holy as Hos primary attribute though. as both His love and judgement proceed out of His Holiness!

 

[utilyan]

Was Pharaoh called to repent when God "hardened his heart"?

Pharaoh hardened his own heart first. Secondly If he was already totally depraved incapable of doing anything good in God's sight then by what utter stupidity would it be necessary to harden his heart?

Its like putting a blind fold on a dead man. Please use your God given common sense.

Your telling me someone who has no connection with God, who is not open to God, does not seek God, Has no capacity to do anything positively towards God required a measure to prevent him from responding correctly to God, That is just stupid. It is so stupid the answer is right in front of your face. Can you fathom at all why its so absurd?

The same dumb logic can be applied to the Devil having to steal the gospel away, to prevent folks who can't possibly understand the gospel anyways.

Those dumb teachings happen when unlearned, unwise try to piece together their own dumb idea about God.

You would probably do a whole lot better trying to piece it together by yourself with the bible.

Those dumb ideas have no scriptural foundation, its what happens when you start with a tulip and then try to find tulip in the bible.

That is nonsense. Throw away the TULIP, Start with scripture alone there is no way you will build a tulip unless you got someone over your shoulder.

For example if we play a game of telling teaching one person TOTAL DEPRAVITY that is the ABILITY to do right in God's eyes, and the rules were YOU CAN ONLY GIVE SCRIPTURE LINES. You cannot build the idea of total depravity with scripture alone. That fake teaching needs to take root outside of scriptures.

Just try it the verses alone cannot express that false teaching.. You need someone snorting over false info over the shoulder "that wasn't about Jews only" "all doesn't mean all".

 

[utilyan]

Does eternal Hell exist to you?

Is Hell another God now?

 

[utilyan]

God is Holy as Hos primary attribute though. as both His love and judgement proceed out of His Holiness!

You can tell the difference between God's Love, Judgement and Holiness?

That's perfect evidence you don't know jack about those three things.

They are one in the same.

 

[Yeshua1]

Is Hell another God now?

Is it a real place?

 

[Yeshua1]

You can tell the difference between God's Love, Judgement and Holiness?

That's perfect evidence you don't know jack about those three things.

They are one in the same.

Holiness demands that there be both eternal heaven and Hell!

 

[utilyan]

Holiness demands that there be both eternal heaven and Hell!

In your dictionary Love is an attribute everyone has and God has most of all.

In my dictionary Love is JESUS CHRIST and GOD is LOVE.

You will never have the proper Christian mindset till you can comprehend that.

Tell me what of God's Love, Jesus Christ has no holiness or missing holiness to it?

Jesus Christ is not Love? Jesus Christ is not Holiness?

You need to sit down and think this through or you will never have the proper Christian minset.

1 John 4

8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

 

[Brightfame52]

We were not created to be mindless humans or robots, we were made with freewill and minds to exercise it. God has told His saints to chose out of freewill to reach out and spread the gospel to the entire world. It’s what we have been called to do. Spreading the truth about Jesus and what He has done for us, what He is doing now for us, and what He will do for us in the future is our mission.

It originated in the heart of God. It is based on the love of God. And it is accomplished by the will of God and we see the following in scripture.

God created men and women and gave them free will.
The first man and woman abused their free will by disobeying God, and they had to leave Paradise.
God could not use force to bring them back to Paradise.
God sent His Son on a mission to die in their place and reconcile them to Him.
God’s mission is to make the offer of salvation known to all people and, thus, open the way for them to have Redemption.

At its most basic level, the love for others and love of God, is letting the whole world know about Jesus and about what He has done for each of us and about what He promises to do for us, now and for eternity.

Man has never been give freewill, that's a myth. From the beginning mans will was subject to the eternal purpose of God.. Now man has always been accountable for his choices and deeds, but that's not having a freewill.

 

[utilyan]

Man has never been give freewill, that's a myth. From the beginning mans will was subject to the eternal purpose of God.. Now man has always been accountable for his choices and deeds, but that's not having a freewill.

Ok so Jesus Christ does not have free will, right?

 

[MB]

Man has never been give freewill, that's a myth. From the beginning mans will was subject to the eternal purpose of God.. Now man has always been accountable for his choices and deeds, but that's not having a freewill.

LOL I don't for a minute believe that you even know what free will really is. If there is no freewill why would God ask us to come to Him?
Mat_11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Rest is not given to the wicked.
MB

 

[Reformed1689]

We were not created to be mindless humans or robots, we were made with freewill and minds to exercise it. God has told His saints to chose out of freewill to reach out and spread the gospel to the entire world. It’s what we have been called to do. Spreading the truth about Jesus and what He has done for us, what He is doing now for us, and what He will do for us in the future is our mission.

It originated in the heart of God. It is based on the love of God. And it is accomplished by the will of God and we see the following in scripture.

God created men and women and gave them free will.
The first man and woman abused their free will by disobeying God, and they had to leave Paradise.
God could not use force to bring them back to Paradise.
God sent His Son on a mission to die in their place and reconcile them to Him.
God’s mission is to make the offer of salvation known to all people and, thus, open the way for them to have Redemption.

At its most basic level, the love for others and love of God, is letting the whole world know about Jesus and about what He has done for each of us and about what He promises to do for us, now and for eternity.

Nobody says there is no such thing as free will, you are free to choose whatever you desire. The question is, what do you desire?

 

[Yeshua1]

Ok so Jesus Christ does not have free will, right?

he is God, so yes!

 

[Yeshua1]

LOL I don't for a minute believe that you even know what free will really is. If there is no freewill why would God ask us to come to Him?
Mat_11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Rest is not given to the wicked.
MB

We have limited free will, as our sin natures will not desire us to serve or please the Lord!

 

[Yeshua1]

In your dictionary Love is an attribute everyone has and God has most of all.

In my dictionary Love is JESUS CHRIST and GOD is LOVE.

You will never have the proper Christian mindset till you can comprehend that.

Tell me what of God's Love, Jesus Christ has no holiness or missing holiness to it?

Jesus Christ is not Love? Jesus Christ is not Holiness?

You need to sit down and think this through or you will never have the proper Christian minset.

1 John 4

8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

He is also the Judge of those who reject Jesus as Lord!

 

[atpollard]

No that is part of your problem. The motive is Love. God is Love.

Explain HELL to me as an outpouring of God's love?
Explain JOB as an outpouring of God's love?

 

[MB]

Nobody says there is no such thing as free will, you are free to choose whatever you desire. The question is, what do you desire?

When men come to Christ they desire Salvation.
The Philippian Jailer Converted
Act 16:25 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.
Act 16:26 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.
Act 16:27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.
Act 16:28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.
Act 16:29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas
Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
Act 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
Act 16:27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.
Act 16:28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.
Act 16:29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
Do you suppose the Jailer had no choice?
MB