God and time

JWs agree w that verse

 

That's your passage for saying God is bound in time? That's the decree?
Look at the context of the passage and see if you are correct. I don't see a decree about God being bound in time in this passage. Perhaps others agree with you, however.

Romans 8:12-30 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him. For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience. Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

 

The premise (outside of the constraints of time) is fiction. We know from the saints in heaven, "rest a little while longer" (Revelation 6:11) that those in heaven are aware of the passage of "time." True it may not be "physical time" a created thing, but to suggest that "spiritual time" does not exist to mark the past from the present and present from future is unbiblical.

What the effort really accomplishes is to make scripture to no effect. Advocates say God knows things before He decides or plans things. When scripture says of God, "now I know" (Genesis 22:12) they say He really did not mean it, He was talking down to finite beings.

 

Actually, per John, the New Jerusalem will be Heaven brought down to earth!

 

the only ones who would see God bound now in time would be Open Theists!

 

We are created beings. We experience existence in time. God is not a created being. God always is. Time is not a constraint on his being. Your point is about created beings, not about God, who is not created. God is the...I AM.

 

I supported my view (the existence of past, present and future in the kingdom of God.) The issue is not that God is eternal, but whether in His spiritual realm, the passage of "spiritual time" occurs. The bible says yes.

The "outside of time" premise is a fiction without support in scripture.

 

YES, EVEN A BROKEN CLOCK IS CORRECT TWICE A DAY.

 

Once, if you're using military time...

 

God existed before time, and he shall exist, and us, once time itself ceases to exist!

 

yes

 

Yet another fiction proclaimed without support from scripture. Those in God's spiritual realm are aware of the passage to (spiritual?) time.

 

so technically speaking Calvary was the ONE AND ONLY temporal "MASS" in history.

 

Finite man trying to understand a Holy, Wise, Omnipotent, Eternal, Sovereign God

I Tim 1:17

 

Thats a very dangerous stand which can lead to Opwn Theism, Universalism, or Atheism

 

Maybe for you?

 

Not at all for me.

What you espouse is exactly how Appstasy starts w someone. Just ask Clark Pinnock

 

so say you

 

Read "Consolation of Philosophy" by Boethius. He struggles with this question in an admirable and (at the time) original way. No one can understand our Western view of God's relationship to time, or predestination for that matter, without giving this classic a try :)