All of God's elect will be given repentance toward God and faith toward Christ.
I have read them.
God Given Faith
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by KenH, Apr 15, 2024.
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Ephesians 1:3-6 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. -
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. -
Romans 9:10-21 When Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; ( for the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth ) it was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Romans 3:9-18 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; as it is written,
There is none righteous, no, not one:
There is none that understandeth,
There is none that seeketh after God.
They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable;
There is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Their throat is an open sepulchre;
With their tongues they have used deceit;
The poison of asps is under their lips:
Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Destruction and misery are in their ways:
And the way of peace have they not known:
There is no fear of God before their eyes.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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Your theology is really backward, you have people saved before they believe and actually before they even exist. -
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Your whole response is illogical. You say God is "absolutely, totally sovereign" and that He decrees "all things." and man can "Absolutely not!" overrule any of His decrees.
And yet under your theological view man can be responsible for what he has not control over. Even the verses you quote do not support your view.
Man sins, that is obvious but that does not mean that he can not think and evaluate the information that God provides for him. If that were not possible then God is either wasting His time or He is disingenuous in condemning man for not doing what God has decreed they cannot do.
That is why your theology is confusing and illogical.
By the way you treat scripture you cannot trust what God says. When God says He desires "all" to be saved your theology says He really only meant a select few. So your making God out to be a liar and one that can not be trusted. Your theology makes The God of creation seem more like the father of lies. Look at what your theology does to the character of God. -
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- excerpt from John Gill's "The Doctrine Of Justification, By The Righteousness Of Christ, Stated And Maintained" -
Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins. -
It is impossible for God to fail in achieving His purposes, His desires, His glory. God never fails.
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Silverhair Well-Known Member
So you either do not have these verses in your bible or you just ignore them.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,
Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, -
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Silverhair Well-Known Member
1} The Holy Spirit is responsible for your lack of understanding of His word. Not to much logic in that view @KenH
2} You still do not read things in context or if you do you just ignore what it teaches.
3} The bible says Christ was the propitiation for the whole world so by your logic the whole would is elect.
4} Why would I trust Gill over the Holy Spirit and His word? -
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Silverhair Well-Known Member
But it was not His death that saves us but His life.
Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
That is why we worship the risen Christ not the one who remains in a grave or on a cross.
1Co 15:17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.
FYI "through his blood" is not found in the best ancient Greek manuscript. It may have been copied from Eph 1:7.
While mankind was reconciled to God through Christ's blood on the cross we are only saved by repentance and faith in the risen Christ. -
Jonah 2:9 Salvation is of the LORD.
Salvation is not of man. Salvation is of the LORD. -
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