Hello George,
I answered this in posts #14, #16 and, especially, #35. If you have any comments about these posts, I'll be glad to discuss them with you as I have time.
God is Completely Sovereign or in Control of EVERYTHING that happens.
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Alan Gross, Jun 20, 2020.
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I answered your misuse of Galatians 3:24. You have not brought up your crackpot interpretation of Matthew 23:13 on this thread (not to me, anyway). I thought you might have given up on it. -
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Prove it wrong: There is not one verse about predestination to salvation -
Now men can hear the word, and believe, because faith comes by hearing the word, not by a magical infusion of grace apart from Christ’s sacrifice.
Romans 10:13-15 (KJV) 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
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I've noticed that one of the sources of our disagreements with Calvinists is that they take the contextual truths of some verses and apply them in a way that is 1) blanket and 2) absolute.
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Yes we can know we are in Christ and yes we have a new outlook on life. But you are still the you as you were born. Death has no sting, but you are still you. Other than some doctrine, which is a mind thought, not you; do you have a mark or certificate from God that identifies a different you, from the you as a new born baby?
Only by fruit can one be known. But even fruit can be deceiving. Wolves can have the same fruit.
However, spiritual death started with Adam, but nothing died. The term dead in sin is the physical condition. The term dead in Christ is about a spiritual condition that is dead to the flesh, but these are figures of speech. It is not wrong to use them. When it comes to a dead spirit, that is a literal thing, and should not be conflated with spiritual death. The death of the spirit is reserved for the lake of fire and the second death. A reprobate mind does not kill a spirit. It means the spirit is now a demon. -
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this is my reply to, "Flying to the moon is not even God's will, why be silly?"
from: #134timtofly,
You Equate "Free Will" to sin and do nothing but sin,
...with a "Free Will" that is able to sprout wings and Fly across The Atlantic.
The Free Will of a Human Being who tries to Fly across The Atlantic, or even to The Moon, will do something VERY BIBLICAL and not 'silly' at all.
Do you know what it is? -
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The well need not a Physician. -
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Spiritually lost, dead in trespasses and sins, sinners in The Hands of an Angry God is normal, natural, and universal.
"Humans have no capacity to be saved without the free gift of God’s son".
God Chose to Save some, Whom His Son Said that The Father Had Given Him, and Jesus Died for them, was Buried for them, and Rose Again, for them.
"Humans have no capacity to be saved without the free gift of God’s son".
God Chose to Save some.
If He Had not, "Humans have no capacity to be saved without the free gift of God’s son".
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Ephesians 2:8.
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You wrote this:
See! It’s not magical.
Lost sinners Must Be Born Again.
Lost sinners Must Be Given The Enablement of The Holy Spirit, through The New Birth, to HEAR and BELIEVE, with Saving Belief.
When The Holy Spirit Accompanies The Word of God in the deceitful and desperately wicked heart of the Spiritually dead sinner, The Holy Spirit CONVICTS that sinner that The Have No Ability to chose, believe, have faith, decide, pray, count beads, or any other work.
The Holy Spirit Shows a lost sinner their condition before Almighty God, which is HOPELESS, WITHOUT STRENTH, 100% FLESH, and Undone.
If not, they have nothing to Repent of and agree with God about, to Turn to Jesus.
Belief in Jesus is not Historical, like believing in Christopher Columbus.
Sinners who have never been Granted and Given CONVICTION that they are LOST, have never Been Given Repentance or Saving Faith.
Once I was blind.
The well need not a Physician.
What would you have me to do, Lord?
Deny His Sovereignty with enmity and Hateful lust, before all of the World?
Nope.
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Did I once equate free will to sin? Free will is the ability to choose without outside force. Sin is the result of any choice. By your logic, God just removes all wrong choices and you can only do God’s will. That is not in the Bible.
God did that to Pharoh and Nebuchadnezzer, yes, but you apply that to everyone? How does that work out? We are just programmed and have no will at all? The Bible states we do have wills. Nor does God take away all the wrong choices for the elect. We still have to confess the wrong results of the choices we made. Because it is very easy to make choices.
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