Featured God uses means

No, as I said, it means adopting to their culture as Hudson did to China.
Some take it out of context to and use is as an excuse: "I can go into a bar and drink with the alcoholics to win the alcoholics."
It doesn't mean that. One might as well say: "I need to become a drug addict to win the drug addicts. This is nonsense of course.

Paul adopted to the culture he was in, in order to win them to Christ, and yet at the same time kept himself pure from sin.

The "means" for example would be to allow himself to eat meat offered to idols as long as there was no offense to a weaker brother.
Or to refrain if it would cause another to stumble. He would adapt to the situation using whatever means possible to reach others.

 

Okay. If you put it that way, then I agree.
Thanks for clarifying what you meant.:thumbs:

 

pinoybaptist

Everyone is offering the clear teaching of scripture.It is and has been proven.

This constant excuse on your part is not cutting it. Nothing is out of context at all......Your lack of comprehension does not mean it is out of context.

persecution was a means used to scatter the believers, the result was they preached everywhere.

sign gifts got the peoples attention....then they believed...that is what happened... I do not see any mention of"timely" salvation as if it in anyway differed from the one salvation that comes from God.

sign gifts were means used by God to credential the Apostles and His Divine word....there is no question of this.

The scriptures present balance that is clear....It is not about me or what you expect of me. I will be obedient to God to bring gospel truth to all men. The results belong to God.....lk14;

And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

You can look at it and ignore it if you want,,,,I will obey.

sign gifts confirmed the word which was the means used.

Yes they can....

27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.

28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

Not enough to save them unless the Spirit gives a new heart.
Those in the parable of the sower.. also fell away...they had a temporary human trust rather than a Godly faith.

God has always preached to believers and unbelievers.

They are used before during and after salvation.

 

You are an Arminian hiding behind a Calvinist facade.

 

I understand what the gospel is. What you are teaching is fatalism and not the gospel. I have no trouble saying that I would stand with some of the non cals rather than you or your unchurched sidekick.
The non cals even grasp that God while sovereign still employs means which you clearly deny.
What you believe does not disturb me in that it is of no consequence as you do not employ missionary activity so you instead hide any light under a bushel... we cannot let sinners see or hear anything right??? Yes lets keep it a secret like the man with one talent who hid it.

I had not had much dealings with PB beliefs before, but now I will know to avoid them at all cost.
Because someone can speak about the "elect" is not a ticket into heaven.

EWF said someone "killed" your other thread. I believe him for once.
They did kill it- it was a mercy killing:thumbs:

To deny that God uses sheep to reach other sheep is a travesty.
To sit back and teach some kind of carnal security....you called it preservation , rather than perseverance is quite understandable now.

it allows false professors to presume God will do all the work...we have not been told to do anything, or be our brothers keeper.

it does not matter how many scriptures you are shown, you are unable to welcome them. You turn your back on the professing church as if you alone have truth when in reality you cannot describe biblical salvation or biblical sanctification or verses like this which you have no theology for;

14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God;

You substitute a carnal security saying it is all past, which allows professed PB's to post potty mouth posts and think they are okay because it is all past...they are being preserved...their personal conduct does not matter...

So when Paul asks this question-

Romans 6

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

you can say...YES...it does not matter how you live...it is all past, your works have nothing to do with salvation.....no thanks....I will stick with the professing church...not some novelties. old school error is more like it:thumbs:

 

Okay. You would rather we be enemies than brethren is fine with me. I'll deal with your prideful childishness later. By the way EWF is not my sidekick. He is capable of defending what he believes without being somebody' sidekick. You are totally pathetic.

 

Your name calling fits your "timely error".I would rather you repent of being an accuser of the brethren.....Your denial of the use of means makes your teaching a direct violation of the cross you say you believe in.
I let your name calling go in several earlier posts because I wanted to give you a chance to explain what you believe.
I see you cannot offer any substance so you resort to calling us names.

You will deal with nothing as your anti gospel anti mission message has been exposed.

 

Icon, among other things, you said :
To deny that God uses sheep to reach other sheep is a travesty.

man, you must be approaching senility you can't even reme.Ber the gist of what was said.
I deny the Holy Spirit, Himself God, uses means to eternally save His people or to regenerate them.
I deny that God uses sheep to reach GOATS in order for them to become sheep.
I agreed the gospel is a means used by God through preachers and teachers, for his sheep, NOT GOATS.

 

Wow....you just noticed?! :laugh:

 

Oh ...yea I see, everyone who goes in or out of a bar is an alcoholic?!? :smilewinkgrin:

Rediculous you even mentioned it!

 

Pinoy, can you answer this post please.

 

My name calling.
my, my, my. :laugh:
you sure are a piece of work, dude.
I seem to recall it was you who first started a post questioning the integrity of PB's and PB doctrine because you happened to come across an article of two of our PB elders regarding John Calvin.
What's the matter, you like to push but hate it when somebody pushes back?
you're not only pathetic, you're also a bully.

No, I would rather you repent of making Christ's finished work ineffective without the gospel being preached and believed on.

And your insistence that the Holy Spirit must use means to regenerate His own is an insult to His Person.

REALLY ??
And you insult our elders without them being present to defend themselves.
What do you call that ?

My, my. You're backed up into a corner because I showed how you deliberately lifted Scriptures out of context to support your theory that God uses means to regenerate His people, and I'm the one with no substance to offer ?

I have dealt with everything you threw at me.
You're the one unable to prove your doctrine.
Pathetic and miserable.

 

Yeah ? then you probably did miss something.
Look again.

Okay, now let ME straighten this out.
My stand is that God did not use means to eternally save His elect.
And He still does not use means BECAUSE REDEMPTION IS DONE.
No more redeeming to do, no more atoning for to do.
All whose names are in the Book of Life, even the unborn, are already redeemed, BECAUSE THE BLOOD HAS BEEN SHED ALREADY, and will NOT be shed again.

The gospel, while preached to everybody, is good news ONLY to those whose ears have been opened, and whose hearts have been prepared beforehand by God.

It is a MEANS unto TIMELY SALVATION here in this time world for the regenerate elect.

Your buddy could not seem to get the facts of this discussion straight.
He says I deny that the Lord uses sheep to reach other sheep.
I never did that.
I deny that God uses sheep to reach goats.
And added "to make them sheep" to dig at those who think the gospel redeems and eternally saves.

 

really ?
nothing ?

this is me asking him a question to which he answered in the affirmative.

In my recollection recall that is not what Total Depravity says, nor the scriptures: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Romans 3:11

The Ethiopian is a regenerate son of God, uninstructed in the Scriptures.
The Holy Spirit did not send Philip there to get this guy "saved", eternally, such as Christ HAS ALREADY DONE for him.

Hey, ICON, here is an example of sheep instructing sheep, which I never denied.

 

So you're saying the preacher is the Holy Spirit's vehicle for the regeneration of the unregenerate ?
Is that what you are saying ?
Now who are these unregenerates, are they of the elect, or the unelect.
And you're agreeing with the other dude that the "dead in sins and trespasses" can show an interest in the things of God, independent of the working of the Holy Spirit in him "to do and to will of His good pleasure" ?

 

No. He is not my sidekick. He is my brother, and friend.
That is his style of posting, just as your friend's style is to post out of context scriptures to prove the unprovable.