God's Sovreignty : This is Scary

[christianyouth]

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Ok, I do not usually like to do this, but after reading this article, I am concerned. This is a scary teaching this guy has, to simply say all good is of God and all bad is of Satan, seems blasphemous.

The reason why I am posting this, is what verses could I use to denounce this mans position? Believe it or not, this type of view on God's sovreignty is very popular in the 'seeker sensitive' churchs now days, it would be nice to know how to defend against this heresy.

God Bless,
Andy

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Hi there Christian Youth,

If I may, I would siggest that you check out the book Chosen By God by RC Sproul. He has many Biblical arguments against what this person is teaching. I wouldn't, however, waste your time arguing with this person as he will not give you a fair hearing. His mind is made up and he will not change.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Timtoolman]

Don't see how a person could live like that. Thinking that God is not in control of all things. How can he have peace not knowing that God does indeed contral all things. It takes all kinds.

 

[christianyouth]

Thank you

Well, I suppose my question is, this isnt traditional Armianist teaching is it? I mean, I've always thought that even Armianist atleast proclaim that they believe in God's sovreignty, I have a hard time believing that an Armianist would come out and say " All that is good is God, all that is bad is Satan. " From being raised on Armianist theology, I can say that something in me says that this isnt right.. Even if I still held to that belief.

Thanks for the book suggestion, I was thinking about getting that one. I have just got through reading The Holiness of God, and am now reading R.C.'s newer book, Gospel of God : Romans.

God Bless,
Andy

 

[J.D.]

From the article:

Man has been given the authority over his own life, but he must have the Lord's direction to succeed.

That's nearly a word-for-word definition of Pelagianism. Yes, Arminianism has a doctrine of sovereignty, but the arminian definition drives one back to the pelagian view or open theism by its claim that God is self-limiting, giving sovereignty to man in regards to eternal salvation.

 

[Terry_Herrington]

Don't see how a person could live like that. Thinking that God is not in control of all things. How can he have peace not knowing that God does indeed contral all things. It takes all kinds.

Are you saying that all the evil that takes place in the world is what God wants to happen?

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Are you saying that all the evil that takes place in the world is what God wants to happen?

Are you saying that anything evil that happens does so because God could not stop it? Is your God omnipotent? Or is he powerless to stop it?

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Timtoolman]

To J. D. I say that is false and completely untrue.

Too Terry I say that God definately does allow evil. Although its effect is good to those that love Him. See God makes all things rather we consider them evil or bad to WORK OUT for the christian who loves Him. Just as Jospeh was beaten and thrown into a pit and then sold, although he was thrown in Jail wrongly, it still worked out for the good and purpose that God wanted it too.

 

[Terry_Herrington]

Are you saying that anything evil that happens does so because God could not stop it? Is your God omnipotent? Or is he powerless to stop it?

Joseph Botwinick

Does your god advocate rape and child-abuse?

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Did he stop it? Could he have stopped it if he so wished?

Joseph Botwinick

 

[webdog]

Is that "yes"?

 

[Salamander]

Are you saying that anything evil that happens does so because God could not stop it? Is your God omnipotent? Or is he powerless to stop it?

Joseph Botwinick

Are you saying that the God of all peace and the Father of lights wants His children to suffer in spite of good by allowing the evil to have precedence over that good?

With the erroneous teaching you cling to, it's no wonder so few see the goodness of God that leadeth all men to repentence!raying:

raise: :Fish: raise:

 

[Salamander]

Did he stop it? Could he have stopped it if he so wished?

Joseph Botwinick

Are yopu saying that rape is an act of the sovereign will of God? Or is it still you're blind to the will of man to go contrary to the will of God?raying:


raise: :Fish: raise:

 

[whatever]

Are yopu saying that rape is an act of the sovereign will of God? Or is it still you're blind to the will of man to go contrary to the will of God?raying:


raise: :Fish: raise:

Why is God unwilling or unable to stop man's evil acts?

 

[J.D.]

We're back to the rape thing again. Theology by emotional sentiment. Go ahead, tell me how bad I am to believe that God allows evil for His own glory. Make sure you use some emoticons and various fonts to show me how insensitive I am.

Lost people use the same reasoning to excuse their unbelief. "If there is a God, why did __________ happen?" (fill in the blank with your favorite tragedy) In your case it's "how can you believe in a God that lets ___________ happen?"

Well how can you believe in a God that is powerless to prevent evil? How can you believe in a God that stands by and does nothing about rape even though he is supposedly omnipotent but yet he can't defeat Satan until puny man helps Him?

BTW Joseph didn't say that God advocates evil - he said He allows it. There is a difference.

 

[webdog]

We're back to the rape thing again. Theology by emotional sentiment. Go ahead, tell me how bad I am to believe that God allows evil for His own glory. Make sure you use some emoticons and various fonts to show me how insensitive I am.

Lost people use the same reasoning to excuse their unbelief. "If there is a God, why did __________ happen?" (fill in the blank with your favorite tragedy) In your case it's "how can you believe in a God that lets ___________ happen?"

Well how can you believe in a God that is powerless to prevent evil? How can you believe in a God that stands by and does nothing about rape even though he is supposedly omnipotent but yet he can't defeat Satan until puny man helps Him?

BTW Joseph didn't say that God advocates evil - he said He allows it. There is a difference.

I don't think anyone will argue that God allows things to happen. The question was: does God advocate it, to which a clear answer was not given, only other leading questions.

 

[whatever]

I don't think anyone will argue that God allows things to happen. The question was: does God advocate it, to which a clear answer was not given, only other leading questions.

Please show me who said or even implied that God advocates rape or any other sin. I would like to reply personally but I cannot find it.

 

[Dale-c]

I don't think anyone will argue that God allows things to happen. The question was: does God advocate it, to which a clear answer was not given, only other leading questions.

Ok, here is a clear answer: God says that rape (as well as a host of others things) is sin and those that do these things will spend eternity in hell if they die in unbelief.

Now, can God stop anyone from raping someone? Sure he can. In fact, no evil is ever done that is contrary to the eternal plans of Almighty God.

Is there unrighteousness with God? God Forbid!

 

[webdog]

Please show me who said or even implied that God advocates rape or any other sin. I would like to reply personally but I cannot find it.

Joseph's answer from the last page where he was asked point blank does God advocate rape and child molestation. Should be an easy yes / no answer.

 

[Dale-c]

Joseph's answer from the last page where he was asked point blank does God advocate rape and child molestation. Should be an easy yes / no answer.

It is an easy answer provided that it was a straight question.
I am not saying it was or wasn't, just saying that sometimes you have to be careful what you answer.