What does this mean, and how does it answer my question?
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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by James Donovan, Mar 7, 2018.
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I asked this:
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Are you saying that DTS, in general, holds to a Calvinistic soteriology?
I don't find your answer addressing my question. -
I was around DTS and students for some years, and for the most part they are far more holding to the doctrines of Grace than most SBC schools, and many Independent Schools.
For those too lazy to click on the link and discern here is just one paragraph concerning "Total Depravity."
"We believe that man was originally created in the image and after the likeness of God, and that he fell through sin, and, as a consequence of his sin, lost his spiritual life, becoming dead in trespasses and sins, and that he became subject to the power of the devil. We also believe that this spiritual death, or total depravity of human nature, has been transmitted to the entire human race of man, the Man Christ Jesus alone being excepted; and hence that every child of Adam is born into the world with a nature which not only possesses no spark of divine life, but is essentially and unchangeably bad apart from divine grace (Gen. 1:26; 2:17; 6:5; Pss. 14:1–3; 51:5; Jer. 17:9; John 3:6; 5:40; 6:35; Rom. 3:10–19; 8:6–7; Eph. 2:1–3; 1 Tim. 5:6; 1 John 3:8)." (bold emphasis added by me) -
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Many 5 pointers are also premillenialist thinking.
They may also use some dispensation thinking as a way to quickly outline, show a pattern, or give a statement of economy/stewardship to their writing. -
As everybody seems to like to assign John Darby as the "father of dispensationalism" let's see what he believed on the subject.
John Howard Goddard observes that Darby "held to the predestination of individuals and that he rejected the Arminian scheme that God predestinated those whom he foreknew would be conformed to the
image of Christ." (John Howard Goddard, "The Contribution of John Nelson Darby to Soteriology, Ecclesiology, and Eschatology,"
Th. D. Dissertation from Dallas Theological Seminary, 1948, p. 85.)
In his "Letter on Free-Will," Darby states "If Christ has come to save that which is lost, free-will has no longer any place." "I believe we ought to hold to the word;" continues Darby, "but, philosophically and morally speaking, free-will is a false and absurd theory. Free-will is a state of sin." (J. N. Darby, "Letter on Free-Will," in The Collected Writings of J. N. Darby, Winschoten, Netherlands: H. L. Heijkoop, 1971, Vol. 10, p. 185, 186.)
Because Darby held to the bondage of the will, he logically follows through with belief in sovereign grace as necessary for salvation. (Thomas Ice, The Calvinistic Heritage of Dispensationalism, Liberty University, 2009.) -
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“Do you believe that the relationship between God and man changed when Adam was expelled from Eden? Then I guess we are all dispensationalists to some degree!” - Charles Sproul
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First, you need to define Dispensationalism, because some folks believe in Traditional Dispensationalism where the promises to Israel are not also promises to the Church. OTOH, Progressive Dispensationalists believe the church members become children of Abraham and receive the promises to Israel.
Both groups believe in the literal 1000 year reign of Christ on David's throne on earth, which differs from the deniers.
What do those who reject dispensationalism reject, the 1000 year reign or that the church is not grafted into "all Israel." -
However I do enjoy rummaging around in the Dispensational bone yard which contrary to public opinion goes back to the ECF although the essential segments were not called "dispensation" but more likely "ages" or "economies". -
Hi Hank please rummage around the two issues (1) 1000 year literal reign on earth and (2) the church is grafted into "all Israel.:
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