The Mormon's formula for eternal life is defective. That's what you're saying.
Not required for eternal life, but it will be manifested because of the new nature given through the birth from above.
Gospel regeneration, is it biblical? Yes? No?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by convicted1, Jan 11, 2012.
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This verse isn't about eternal life, which Timothy already had. It's about not falling prey to deceitful spirits and believing or teaching false things.
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Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
What is their word? The GOSPEL!
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
We are saved through faith. You will die in your sins apart from faith in the work of Christ. -
Now extrapolate on that reasoning to apply to the majority of the use of sozo in the scriptures. -
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I'm suprised at some people's seeming indignation at this subject. It has been discussed may times on BB. I guess I'v been around here longer than some.
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And, again, show that eternal consequences is the intent of the word saved here.
He's also speaking to national Israel here, 'dying in your sins' could well mean the wrath that was to come on that generation in this instance.
(And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation. Acts 2:40)
who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Jn 1:13
Once again, show how you derive eternal consequences from the word 'saved' here. -
The baby cries out for all to hear indicating it is alive.
But that is not when the baby was conceived.
It is the same with the "new birth."
All children demonstrate there is development activity by "kicking" and pushing against the confines of the mother. The same occurs in the regeneration process with such items as conviction and the realization of the need to be born.
Saul was "kicking against the pricks" for some time before the new birth.
Until one is regenerated, they have no power to express Godly sorrow unto salvation. -
There has to be a clear distinction made between regeneration and salvation, or the effectual call and the gospel call, or the birth from above and conversion. -
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Is this related to that "time salvation" versus "eternal salvation" novelty?
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The reason why I brought this up again is because there are some one here who have joined since the last agrument.....errr debate :laugh: and I wanted them to chime in and get their thoughts. -
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I believe that by far most of the time 'saved' in the scriptures is meant in the conversion, or timely sense, and not eternally. In that sense, a believer can lose his salvation in this time world, but never eternally (see 1 Cor 5:5). -
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