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Hebrews 9:27

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Salty, Jun 10, 2021.

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  1. Salty

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    Hebrews 9:27 states: And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:


    So - if a man does something stupid - could his life be shortened by his own actions.

    If a person has been walking very close to the Lord - could his life be extended by the Lord?
     

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    Jesus said you can’t add an hour to your life by worrying.

    I believe God sees it all, controls it all. You can live a more healthy life with exercise and such. But the appointment is set.

    peace to you
     
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    I am pretty sure all Calvinists lean toward exhaustive determinism, God's knowledge of the future fixes the future and no other outcome is possible. However, that view is malarkey.

    What the verse seems to me to be saying is there are no second chances for salvation after we physically die. Judgment is swift and sure, and the lost are condemned already. John 3:18.

    OTOH, God is the God of continuing chances as long as we live, therefore repent and believe.
     
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    AMEN, AMEN, & AMEN!!!
     
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    So when the Bible states that God has allotted and predetermined to us all of our days, that was malarkey then?
     
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    Verse please??
     
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    Psalm 139:16
     
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    So, you believe just because God knows the future it is “malarkey” to believe it can’t be changed?

    Spoken like someone who is the master of his own destiny; or at least thinks he is the master of his own destiny.

    peace to you
     
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    Please don’t confuse folks with scripture that supports your beliefs.

    I knew a pastor once who said one of his deacons through up his hands in a business meeting and shouted, “Bible Bible Bible! All you do is talk about the Bible!”

    I told him that was a compliment. He assured me it wasn’t meant that way.

    peace to you
     
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    Please do not make-up malarkey and post it as if it was my view. Use quotes.

    I make plans, but God directs my steps...

    We operate within the purview allowed by God.
     
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    ...so... don't "snip"?
     
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    Please respect the OP who simply removes off topic copy and paste smokescreed.
     
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    Van,

    consistent error, you are not close to truth, why inflict such doubt and unbelief on everyone

    [QUOTE]OTOH, God is the God of continuing chances [/QUOTE]

    The one you invent might be, but we follow This one;1689
    Chapter 3: Of God's Decree
    1._____ God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein; nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established; in which appears his wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness in accomplishing his decree.
    ( Isaiah 46:10; Ephesians 1:11; Hebrews 6:17; Romans 9:15, 18; James 1:13; 1 John 1:5; Acts 4:27, 28; John 19:11; Numbers 23:19; Ephesians 1:3-5 )
     
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    The one you invent might be, but we follow This one;1689
    Chapter 3: Of God's Decree
    1._____ God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein; nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established; in which appears his wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness in accomplishing his decree.
    ( Isaiah 46:10; Ephesians 1:11; Hebrews 6:17; Romans 9:15, 18; James 1:13; 1 John 1:5; Acts 4:27, 28; John 19:11; Numbers 23:19; Ephesians 1:3-5 )[/QUOTE]

    If, as you say, God has decreed, unchangeably everything that happens then how would He not be the author of sin? That is unless you think someone can override God's decrees. Just because some men in 1689 wrote the WCF does not make it true.
     
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    Your view, if rational, would make God the author of sin, yet illogically you deny it.

    You deny the opportunity of salvation brought by the preaching of the gospel, so far from biblical truth to be its antithesis.

    Yet at every opportunity your group inflicts your bogus views upon this forum.
     
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    I see I made the same point you did!! Sorry I made the same point. Needless to say, we agree, God causes or allows whatsoever comes to pass, thus God is not the author of sin!!
     
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    If Christ was foreordained before the foundation of the world to redeem by his blood, that is be slain, when was the appointment of death made?
     
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    So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Gen 1:26

    Was he already appointed to die?

    Exactly where was Christ as of a lamb going to come from?
     
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    Please use a modern translation, such as the NET with its footnotes.

    1) The Second Person of the Trinity was known before creation to be the Lamb of God.
    2) Christ was slain on the cross about 2000 years ago, not before creation.
    3) The plan of Redemption included the death on the cross of the Lamb of God, thus before creation.
    4) Christ was put to death according to the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God.

    Please do not engage in time travel theology based on mistaken translations of Greek grammar!!!
     
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    Does your line 3 above say, before creation God planed for Christ as of a lamb would, in the fulness of time be born of woman and would die? Before creation, Christ was going to die? Was this predicated upon an, if or was it going to take place?

    Here is a thought, in a question.

    We have it stated in the Heb 2 What is man section; But now we see not yet all things put under him. Under the following from 1 Cor 15:45,46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

    Why was man first made natural and then to be made spiritual at some point in time, afterward?

    Did death have anything to do with how he was first made?

    For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. Heb 2:10

    Why was man made a little lower than the angels? Relative to angles, what will the status of the future man? Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

    Was the appointment of death also the plan before creation? After this the judgement.
     
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