Someone in my town came up with the idea to start a "hip hop church'.Do you think this is a good idea?
Hip hop church
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by vermae, Jul 31, 2007.
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I wouldn't go... but that is just me.
Are you in a big urban area? -
What's the dilly, yo? Don't be hatin if peeps go chillaxin at da hip hop church, yo? Dis hateration is wack. ;)
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http://www.hiphopchurch.org/
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I think its a bad idea, kinda of like creating a "version" of the Bible to that appeals to one race, or gender, or oreintation. The Gospel shouldn't be manipulated to draw people in, the Gospel should not changed, the heart of the audience should and the Holy Spirit should draw them in. Christ never changed his message depending on who he was speaking to, the message was always the same.
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preachinjesus Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Honestly I don't have a problem with contextualizing ministry to fit those in our targetted area. Most of the churches people around here attend have deeply contextualized ministry for their tastes.
Now for your particular thought, if you are going to do a contextualized, niche ministry like "Hip Hop Church" do it excellently. Don't have a bunch of white people trying to act the part b/c that is ridiculous and won't work. Also, don't do it just b/c someone came up with the idea. Make sure it is a prayerfully led conviction that you want to desperately reach the hip-hop crowd in your area and want to make a legitimate stab at it. Don't do this halfway. Too many ministries are half-way or worse to begin with and crackerizing it will be an insult.
A truly "Hip Hop Church" might indeed work, if you make it truly hip-hop and not white, suburban ministry done in black-face. That would be insulting to those you think you want to reach. Hip-hop is the most ubitiquitous cultural expression in the world and if you are in an honest setting in the midst of a legit hip-hop crowd and have legit people leading the ministry you might be on the right track.
If you end up being a bunch of white people trying to do something different for the sake of difference than it will fail. If it is not God led, it will fail. I've got a friend who has been leading a ministry to Goths and punks and alternative crowds in the middle of a major city in a sector where those groups hang out. He's having lots of success for the Kingdom, but not trying to change them into a white-molded button down motley-fool.
Don't offer a contextualized ministry approach if your end goal is to make those who you reach into little models of white Americana.
Don't pull a Malibu's Most Wanted...if this is God led and Spirit filled you will have an opportunity to really people and not turn them off further from the Gospel. -
they have cowboy church
I don't see why there should not be Hip hop Church as long as it is Glorifying the Father Son and Holy Spirit. -
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The Word of God tells us not to be conformed to this world, but to be transformed by the renewing of our mind that we might prove that which is the perfect and acceptable will of God.
We do not need to act like the rappers, hip-hoppers, rockers, druggies, bar-room dancers, etc., to bring them in.
We need to live Christ and let the Holy Spirit do the rest. Hip Hop Church is conforming to the ways of the world and not to Christ. -
What does Hip Hop represent culturally? What do you think of when you think of Hip Hop? Who will be the music director an Eminem look alike? -
Why not follow Paul's example and preach Christ and him crucified rather than tying it to these cultural manifestations? -
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However, I think the "redeemability" of the hip-hop lifestyle is worth discussing. It is more intertwined with sin and its behavior IMO than other "genres." In addition, this involves more than just musical style. I guess that's where my reservations are most centered...not with musical choices as much as with the lifestyle so prevalent in today's hip hop culture.
Having said that...there's no doubt that reaching today's hip-hop generation does involve presenting the Gospel to quite the "foreign" culture. May God raise up missionaries--both vocational and volunteer--that can present the Good News effectively, while not compromising the Gospel.
As a friend of mine illustrates...think of all the Coca-cola slogans:
- "Have a Coke and a smile."
- "Coke adds life!"
- "Coke is it!"
- "Coke: The real thing."
- et cetera...
I don't mind slogans changing...as long as I never mess with the "product." -
"Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord." - Colossians 3:16
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Logos. er...I mean...Word. -
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The gospel is unchanging - it is Christ and Him crucified. Our methods of presenting that gospel better change (to some extent) if we will ever reach today's younger generation.
The days of opening the church doors and the lost file in are long gone. We have to find some way to reach them with an accurate message where they are. -
If you are attempting to bring them in with worldly values, then you are doing it for the wrong reason. Your intentions are not godly, but fleshly.
"We've got to impress the youth to win them to Christ'' seems to be the general consensus.
That is not what the Bible teaches though. It is the Spirit that draws a person to Christ... not the world. -
OK, example coming before things go awry...
The other day, our high-school students went to a local supermarket and (with the owner's permission) washed the windshields of motorists who allowed it for free. We mentioned who we are and where we worship, and thanked them for the chance to serve. We were able to share Christ with four.
Was that done 100 years ago? Nope. New approach. New "slogan." Same Gospel.
I'm trying to make this bigger than a worship war. I'll probably fail, though....but I'm trying. -
Should we clothe the gospel in forms that are inherently contradictory to the gospel itself? I don't think we should. The form of the hip hop culture exists for fundamental reasons of the values that the hip hop culture holds and propogates. Those are fundamentally contradictory to the biblical gospel.
Notice again the argument 1 Cor 1-2 nad 2 Cor 1:4 where Paul specifically appeals to the simplicity of the message of the cross and rejects clothing it in contemporary styles of the day. That has more weigh than many are willing to give it. -
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