There may be a bit of truth in your post. I suspect that KJV folks believe they have the word of God in their hands and so they take it more seriously than those who think the word of God is in multiple versions or can only be discerned in the original Hebrew and Greek. Thus, the later group spends much of their time questioning the word of God whereas, the former group spends much of their time trying to conform to the word of God.
Likewise, I'll translate for you so you can say it more simply next time. "We're more lascivious than thou because our many Bibles are soft on sin. Further, if we don't like what one version says we go to another, or go to the original languages and we'd much rather be lascivious and carnal, than receive stripes from the horrid accusations of being a "legalist". :eek:
Rufus, I think you are a dear, but I do think you have stepped over a line here.
I use the NASB primarily. I know I have the Word of God in my hand when I am holding it and reading it and studying it -- or the ESV or the KJV or the NKJV or several others in my hand. I take the Word of God very seriously.
I said I use the NASB primarily. I use the others because I work in an environment where they are used. When a kid comes to me with an NIV, I pull out an NIV.
I know.
But if you re-read the translation, it's just another way of saying "I'm holier than thou because I use the KJV".
It just takes the reverse approach by saying, "You're less holy than me because you don't use the KJV."
Funny thing is that I often do use the KJV, although not the 1611 version.
Simply untrue. You can preach against sin using the NIV just as easily as you can the KJV.
Rufus continued:
What's wrong with going to the original language for one who knows how to read Greek? Is the original Greek softer on sin than the KJV?
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I'm sure you won't mind pointing out which notes are inherently evil, then. While you're at it, please list the time signatures, key signatures and chords that are evil.
Can you tell me which notes or combination of notes are immoral?
I studied music theory for 10 years and I don't recall anyone teaching me which ones were immoral, outside of the early belief in the devil's triad (diminished 5th).
Oh yeah, since ccr mentioned it, there are also evil meters, etc. right?
Which ones are those?
Most all worship "style" (not content) is culturally based. We often tend to equate our style preference with being the "biblical" way of doing it.
Did Paul not say in 1 Cor. 9:22:
". . . I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some." (KJV)
". . . I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some." (NIV)????
"What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice." (KJV) and,
"But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice." (NIV)
IMHO, Paul wold probably be supporting the "Hip-hop" approach.
Do I like the "hip-hop" style? no. Do I like "fragmenting" the body? Not really.
I do look at stlye as well a content when choosing a church. That's style in music as well as style in preaching and ministry. Two churches can be basically in content, yet very different in style o ministry, preacjhing and music. Each church, just like any individual, has a unique personality. Style and content are both expressions of this personality.
I'd like to recommend a book: "The Voice of Our COngregation: Seeking and Celebrating God's Song for Us" by Terry York and David Bolin. Its main premise is that each church its own unique voice for ministry and service to God. An excellent book for the study of worship and minstry context of the church.
To sum up my long post: If Christ is preached and people are comig to the Lord at a Hip-Hop, cowboy, liturgical, casual, Southern gospel, etc. church - May your tribe increase.
I think that was the most offensive comment I have ever read on the BB.
If that's not judging others, I don't know what is.
How about all the false religions like, JW's, Mormons, ect.ect. that only use the KJV?
What's their excuse?
Can't blame their heresies on other versions.
Sorry, I had to vent.
That really made me mad.
I expect an apology.
That is just more of the same old sin of one person's personal opinion being elevated to that of scripture.
Just because it is not your conviction that this type of style is expedient for you and your culture, does not mean that it is wrong for all cultures.
If you would actually read your Bible outside of what some stupid preacher preaches and allow the actual Holy Spirit to guide your heart in many matters, you would find the freedom spoken of in Galatians and the liberty that we have in Christ not to have to conform to The Law or to man's additions.
Quit being judiazers (sp?) and allow God to direct you and to direct others.
Do NOT allow some MORON preacher to dictate your convictions, that is the job of the Holy Spirit.
It is the job of the pastor to present and apply the Word of God, not to dictate it.