If simple fate is what determines the outcome, I don't see how this applies to the non cal view. There is much we don't know about God in regards to time. If He selected some, and not others, it could be said that "simple fate" dooms the reprobate, and they are still being held accountable for their failure to believe in Christ.
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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Jarthur001, Oct 26, 2007.
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If you want to say fate is what dooms the reprobate............ well ok. :) God created hell for a purpose huh? -
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webdog said:Yes...but you said who was it created for...Click to expand...
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russell55 said:Are you saying that hell serves a purpose it wasn't created to serve?Click to expand...
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webdog said:I just repeated what Scripture said. Isn't earth currently serving a purpose it wasn't created for?Click to expand...
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reformedbeliever said:Fatalism is where simple fate determines the outcome. God's providence is not simple fate..... but God causing all things to happen for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose.Click to expand...
If God causes all things to happen, that is fatalistic thinking. You are saying that nothing we do avails and from our perspective, that is fatalistic. God may think it is wonderful but to us, there is NO HOPE unless we are lucky enough to be God's "fair haired boys."
Your error is in looking at the definition from God's perspective and the ones to whom that negative situation applies -- US.
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npetreley said:No. ........Click to expand...
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reformedbeliever said:This is not fate, but God's Divine Providence and choice.Click to expand...
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Jarthur001 said:Thanks Skypair...
I knew I could count on you. At lease you don't try to hide what you believe.
Being that Skypair is one of the top freewillers on this site, I guess he just proved me right.Click to expand...
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webdog said:Earth was created imperfect :confused:Click to expand...
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npetreley said:Things aren't going according to plan? God screwed up? :confused:Click to expand...
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webdog said:God planned sin?Click to expand...
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webdog said:I just repeated what Scripture said.Click to expand...
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webdog said:God planned sin? God screwed up? :confused:Click to expand...
Earth was created perfect, but God intended for it to become imperfect through the free agency of mankind. We know this in a general way because we know that God's purposes stand, and in a more specific way because we know that before he created, God purposed for Christ to redeem the world. Earth is serving God's intended purpose by needing Christ to redeem it. -
russell55 said:Yes, God planned sin, but it was people who screwed up.
Earth was created perfect, but God intended for it to become imperfect through the free agency of mankind. We know this in a general way because we know that God's purposes stand, and in a more specific way because we know that before he created, God purposed for Christ to redeem the world. Earth is serving God's intended purpose by needing Christ to redeem it.Click to expand...
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