So, you want to ignore Thomas Paine? On what basis? Because he doesn't fit your philosophy? You would have loved Jefferson. He literally ripped out pages of the Bible that he didn't agree with. You can find a copy of Jefferson's bible on the link I posted previously. But Jefferson wasn't a Christian and neither was Washington so you'd want to take them out of the history books as well. By the way, Ben Franklin was also a theist so you need to take him out as well. Ask yourself this question. Who is it that practices historical revisionism? The Radical Right of course.
Historical Revisionism
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by evangelist6589, Jun 3, 2014.
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Book Description
Publication Date: June 25, 2013
The Jefferson Bible is collection of passages from the New Testament compiled by Thomas Jefferson. It conspicuously omits any miracles or supernatural events described in the Bible.
This is a description on Amazon.com of the eBook version. It costs $0.99. Buy it and learn the truth. -
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One thing that we know for sure is that if the Creator in the Declaration of Independence is not a reference to the Holy Trinity as the Democrats are claiming, then it is true what you say, C4K, that we have no human rights because deism is a false religion.
2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty. -
Okay, where does the Bible support God given human rights? What rights does God give man?
Jefferson is speaking of some vague "Nature's God.' He did not believe that Jesus was God - he refused to accept His miracles and His claims to deity. -
You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're kidding!
Exodus 3, NASBMicah the prophet stated clearly what God said is good, and what He desires of us.
7 The LORD said, "I have surely seen the affliction of My people who are in Egypt, and have given heed to their cry because of their taskmasters, for I am aware of their sufferings.
8 "So I have come down to deliver them from the power of the Egyptians, and to bring them up from that land to a good and spacious land, to a land flowing with milk and honey, to the place of the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Amorite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite.
Micah 6God cares about how His people are treated, and expects us to treat them fairly, justly and lovingly. No, He doesn't call it "human rights" but that is what what those statement regard. No one is to be treated unfairly, unlovingly, or unjustly. Period. That is not a "social gospel." It is God's love for all men.
8 He has told you, O man, what is good;
And what does the LORD require of you
But to do justice, to love kindness,
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I realise that God has promises and commitments for His people Israel. I don't accept they apply to all people.
The Micah passage does not tell us what we can expect from the lost world and lost governments or that He promises us freedoms. The vast majority of the world has never seen the supposed "God given rights' that the desist and Christ denier Jefferson wrote about.
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I have to agree that you must be kidding for the sake of debate. What you are saying is that man was not endowed by his Creator with certain inalienable rights and therefore there are no human rights except those given by government. This is doubly true since you claim that Jefferson believed in deism and everyone agrees that deism cannot given anyone any human rights since it is a false god.
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All I'm asking for is Bible evidence that man has any God given inalienable rights.
What rights does God give His sin cursed creation, with Bible support?
After the fall it seems that the curse brought far more restrictions than rights. What rights do hell bound sinners have? -
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We know that there are no human rights in Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism, etc.
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Jesus actually told us that if we live godly we will suffer persecution. He didn't tell that he promised liberty - he promised just the opposite.
'Blessed are ye, not because of God ordained rights, but blessed are ye when men revile you and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for my name's sake. Rejoice and be exceeding glad for great is your reward in heaven.'
Doesn't sound much like God ordained rights.
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C4K, you have persuaded me that since Rome did not have human rights but was a Nazi slave state, and since Deism is a false religion, modern-day nations have erred in saying that Jesus gave people inalienable rights.
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Christian thought did impact the the Constitution - to the extent that Madison and a few others knew that man's sin nature precluded the idea of trusting men - and instead put the authority in a written Constitution.
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Certainly don't see how you can glean that from my comment about the importance of constitutional government.
Sharia law is not constitutional law - it is the worst of all laws - religious law.
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It is not revisionism that Jefferson was a deist (at best). It is a cold hard fact. He hated the miracles of Christ and considered Paul a corrupter of the teachings of Jesus.
If I am wrong about God ordained rights please give me something from the Scriptures to show me that God ordains any human rights. Please show me the scriptures back up Jefferson's claim.
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C4K, I am agreeing with you that Jefferson and Reagan are wrong, but I do not understand how your religious law is any better than Islamic law since you seem to agree that rights come from government, not Jesus, and since you seem to imply that ancient Rome was good enough for sinful people. You have me wondering why the rain falls on both the just and the unjust?
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