You are being deliberately obtuse.
Lo Debar, your views place you outside of Christian orthodoxy. You have had enough correction from various people on this thread to show you your errors. I am finished trying to correct you.
How am I condemned?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by loDebar, Feb 13, 2018.
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Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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IoDebar, Noted that you have said you are not Mormon but are you of the Reorganized LDS Church or do you have a Mormon background?
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I totally agree Christam orthodoxy has left the teaching of Jesus, directly. I was quoting Jesus and others were quoting the or some Church, We must foremost depend on the original meanings of scripture, not man's translations which are opinions.
They are not correcting me but trying to change the direct meaning of scripture to what we want to believe. This position that supercedes the temporal physical over the eternal spiritual is a lie of the Devil. It is Humanism.
They have elevated the Human importance and experience when it is really a narrative of a death row prisoner and the opportunity to be pardoned. -
I enquired a little from the internet just to understand their doctrine and compare them as wrong as JW and even Islam They believe earth will be elevated to be as Heaven. Jesus was a created being etc. Totally wrong. They believe in pre existance of souls but I believe that but we are the bad guys, and condemned.
Even the old Rabbis teach that souls were created at creation(?) and receive a body later. They see bodies are formed , and souls are created -
I don't believe you will find any here at the BB who would agree in the pre-exsistence of the soul/spirit of human beings who apparently sinned as such in the preexistence.
I may be wrong though.
Shepherd's Chapel maybe?
Though you find none - stick around.
Here you will find the orthodox view of what is called "original sin" or how we as the human race became sinners originally.
Romans 5:12 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned: -
Romans is showing the comparioson of effectiveness of Jesus and Adam . Are all men saved through Jesus? Did Jesus establish a method where we could be saved? Through Adam a way of sin was establisjhed or cursed. Are we required to participate? Are we required to participate in salvation?
This place is a prison occudied bt those who cannot see. God chose a method where we can participate in salvation, to be human is the first prerequisite.
This was his mission statement
Luk 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
We think we are not captives, We think we are speciial but we are the condemned
Jhn 9:41¶
Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. -
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I believe pre existance no only to be correct but a well hidden secret used by the devil within the church
I am not looking for God, That relationship was restored long ago. -
Before, “let us make man in our image” The was no preexistance of sprit men floating around ready to snare the next human body.
From reading your posts, I get the impression you enjoy sci-fi. -
man being in God's image is beimg a spiritual being, God is spirit
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There is no human timeline associated with the creation of the heavenly hosts. Only that rebellion was found among some, and it had certain results.
There is nothing in Scriptures that support thinking that some “spiritual” form of human existence was pre Adam which is interpreted “the first.”
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There is no previous Adam . spiritually there is no kindred, We are unique( no two alike) individually created beings
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loDebar says he is not Mormon, but the supposed preexistence of human beings is indeed LDS teaching:
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