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Scripture certainly declares the necessity of the gospel in salvation (1 Corinthians 1). In that passage you see Paul saying to Jews, the cross is a stumbling block and to Gentiles it is foolishness. But to those that believe it is the power of God.

Peace to you

 

My post was filled with Scripture, which you call nonsense. Repent Van. This forum has no place for a Scripture denier.

 

2 Thessalonians 2:13 clearly states believers are chosen “from the beginning” through “sanctification” (being set apart by God Holy Spirit) and faith in the truth (the means by which Christians come into a right relationship).

So, we see the work of God the Father in salvation from the beginning (being chosen by God) to the work of God Holy Spirit (being set apart for salvation) and coming into that right relationship with God through faith in the truth (Jesus Christ and Him crucified)

So, all praise and glory go to God as the author and finisher of our faith (right relationship with God)

People are drawn by God Holy Spirit, convicted of their sin, and convicted of the truth of Christ and Him crucified.

Those that are chosen respond to this wonderful work of God (a real miracle) with faith in the truth.

Thank you Lord Jesus that you didn’t leave my salvation up to the desires of my heart, but sought me, transformed me, gave me faith, covered me with your righteousness, and placed me in the hands of God never to be lost again.

peace to you

 

The gospel is preached…. According to the OP….

Group #1: People are drawn in appreciation of God’s demonstration of loving kindness in Christ death on the cross.

Group #2: People are not drawn…… why not?

What is the difference?

The only possible difference, if the OP is accurate, is there is something inside one person that causes them to appreciate God’s demonstration of loving kindness in Christ’s death on the cross and the others do not appreciate God’s loving kindness.

The OP will respond with mockery and personal attacks because the OP has no answer to the basic question of….

Why? Why does one appreciate God’s loving kindness and the other does not?

peace to you

 

Contrary to your feeble protestations, Romans 9:15 propounds the truth :
I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.

And verse 18 of the same chapter declares :
So then, God has mercy on whom he chooses to have mercy, and he hardens whom he chooses to harden.

 

We have been through this several times. There are two major views of the passage as articulated by different scholars.

What seems most likely, in context, is..

…“From the beginning” refers to being chosen for salvation. “Through” refers to the means by which God brings those chosen into a right relationship with God…. Sanctification (set apart) by God Holy Spirit and Faith in the truth.

I understand we disagree. Hopefully, the mocking and name calling can be avoided.

peace to you

 

As I read through some of these post, this scripture came to mind.
John 16:7-8 KJVS
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. [8] And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

Through the preached gospel, the Holy Ghost spoke to me and showed me I was lost and needed a Saviour. The wisdom of the flesh or this world couldn’t enlighten me to who I was in the eyes of God. But the preached Word let me see my poor condition.

 

That is an accurate articulation of one of the major views proposed by scholars.

We disagree.

peace to you

 

I knew I was lost and the Lord was dealing with my heart. I turned Him away several times. But, I’m glad he’s long suffering. He came by my way when I was singing with the church as service opened and His Holy Spirit began to speak to be. In my mind there was a great warfare. I was thinking the preacher hasn’t preached yet and the invitation at the end of service hasn’t been given, as I battled and was not responding to His call, it was like the drawing of the spirit got lighter and lighter. A great fear came over me, and I thought this may be my last opportunity to be saved. I laid down the songbook and my pride and headed toward the altar. As soon as I turned to Him by faith and put my trust in his redemption plan the burden of sin was rolled away and He set is abode up in my heart.

 

Please cite the source of this statement. That it is your opinion really doesn’t mean it’s accurate.

Peace to you

 

There is no such doctrine as "conditional election."


Do you believe Eph. 2:5 ?
Even though we were dead in transgressions, made us alive together with Christ --by grace you are saved!

Do you believe Col. 2:13?
And even though you were dead in your transgressions and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, he nevertheless made you alive with him, having forgiven all your transgressions.


Do you believe Col. 1:12,13?
giving thanks to the Father who has qualified you to share in the saints inheritance in the light, He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves

Do you believe 2 Cor. 4:6?
For God, who said "Let light shine out of darkness, is the one who shined in our hearts to give us the light of the glorious knowledge of God in the face of Christ.

Do you believe the words of Scripture which states :
He is the one who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not based on our works but on his own purpose and grace, granted to us in Christ Jesus before time began (2 Tim. 1:9)