LOL You are the funny one aren't you. You are another one who some how see's things that are just not in my post. How can God remain sovereign and allow men to sin against His will?.
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How can a man “lose his soul”?
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Pastor_Bob, May 16, 2019.
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Do you deny God’s omnipotence?
A Calvinist I believe would equate Sovereignty with Omnipotence. However, I do not.
So a Calvinist would say that God actually causes men to sin because that is his will. We cannot judge God.
I would say sovereign as used in the Bible is a title meaning ruler.
Exodus 34:23 NLT
[23] Three times each year every man in Israel must appear before the Sovereign, the LORD, the God of Israel.
A ruler doesn’t control all the actions of the ruled.
But back to the question you dodged.
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In the Words of John Calvin – Is God the Author of Sin?
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Exo 34:23 Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel. KJV
A ruler doesn’t control all the actions of the ruled.
Exo 34:23 'Three times in a year do all thy males appear before the Lord Jehovah, God of Israel; The YLT
By the way I do not dodge. I did not dodge I was in a hurry.
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As for translations, if you want to accuse a hundred bible scholars of a very grave sin, that’s on you. I’ll leave you to your unicorns and cockatrices.
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I wanted to make sure that was clear. I do not believe that God is omnipotent.
My question was more about whether you believed God was omnipotent. And you don’t believe in omnipotence at least not in the classical sense. You seem to have redefined omnipotence to mean something else. You believe that God can do whatever he pleases.
What I was trying to point out is that this is not the omnipotence of classical theism.
If God lends or gives up his power to allow anyone else to have the power to do something without him, including having a thought, then he is no longer omnipotent. He either has to allow the free action or not. By allowing power outside of himself, he is no longer omnipotent. -
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We are all servants. The question is, who is our master? Servants are not granted freewill. I consider myself a bond-servant of Jesus Christ.
Here is one Greek word that was translated as "free" in the New Testament:
Lexicon :: Strong's G1658 - eleutheros
The KJV translates Strong's G1658 in the following manner: free (18x), free woman (3x), at liberty (1x), free man (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
1. freeborn
2. in a civil sense, one who is not a slave
3. of one who ceases to be a slave, freed, manumitted
4. free, exempt, unrestrained, not bound by an obligation
5. in an ethical sense: free from the yoke of the Mosaic Law
#4 is the the definition I use to define the word free as in freewill/free will. No strings attached; no influence in making a decision and no consequence resulting from a decision. Therefore, I conclude, man has no freewill because his decisions are not made without outside influence and are not without consequence. -
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OMNIP'OTENCE,'OTENCY, n. [L. omnipotens; omnis, all, and potens, powerful.]
We are predestined to be like Jesus how ever not everyone is. God is not willing that anyone perrishes.
Calvinist will try to convert you to there way of thinking but you don't have to allow it.
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The KJV translates Strong's G1670 in the following manner: draw (8x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
to draw, drag off
metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel
impel
[ im-pel ]
verb (used with object), im·pelled, im·pel·ling.
to drive or urge forward; press on; incite or constrain to action.
to drive or cause to move onward; propel; impart motion to.
Since God does the drawing to the point of dragging-off or impelling, I do not believe mortal man can overcome His efforts.
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