Exactly, you must believe that you are a sinner and believe Jesus is the Son of God who died for your sins and rose from the dead before you will call upon him.
If you believe Jesus was just a normal man who died 2000 years ago, you are not going to pray to him, nobody prays to a dead person (well, most people do not).
The prayer is simply evidence of the faith already present in the heart.
The Lord is not going to reject you for doing what he commanded. If Jesus says, "come to me" (which he does), then he is not going to reject you for coming to him for salvation in the only way you can, which is prayer.
How Did Romans 10:13 Turn Into 'The Sinners Prayer?'
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by preacher4truth, Aug 31, 2013.
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I don't mind suggesting to someone who's under conviction that they simply ask God to save them. But beyond that, I can't help them. If they need help with the words, then I have not done a very good job of witnessing to them. At some point, I'm out of the picture and it's between him and God.
And you're right. If they're reluctant to pray for salvation, then back off. When the Holy Spirit brings them under conviction, and illuminates their mind, you won't be able to keep them away. -
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I have a question. The bible said the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other. What made this publican to know he was justified ? If you say, by scripture. Can you prove he even knew any scripture.
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But we ARE told that this man went down to his house justified. He was saved, his sins were forgiven.
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I wouldn't say that they have "nothing in common". I don't believe that every modern "call upon the name of the Lord" is a "skip to the Lou" pretense.
But I think I understand where you are coming from.
Matthew 13 speaks of the wheat and the tares. Jesus told us there would be "weeds" among the wheat, He called them "tares". I'm sure you are aware of this.
In fact He even said to leave them alone "lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them".
It is my opinion that tares can give a much more subtle presentation than a mindless recitation of words.
Be patient, perhaps some of the tares are destined to be transformed into wheat.
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So, is there more than one way to be saved?
1. Acts 9. The Ethiopian Eunuch: "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." Philip immediately baptized him.
2. Acts 16: The Phillippian jailer: "What must I do to be saved?" Paul and Silas: "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you'll be saved."
3. Romans 10:9: Paul writes, "confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord. And believe that He rose from the dead. You'll be saved.
4. Romans 10:10: Paul continues, "With the mouth, confession is made to salvation." Confess what? That Jesus is Lord and rose from the dead.
5. Romans 10:13: Paul continues, "Call on the name of the Lord to be saved."
6. Acts 2; Peter, Day of Pentecost "Repent, and be baptized, for the remission of sins.
7. Acts 20:21 Paul to the Ephesian elders at Miletus "Testifying to Jews, and also to Greeks, repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ."
8. Luke 13:3 Jesus said "Unless you repent, you'll likewise perish."
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Luk 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
The Pharisee was no atheist, he truly believed in God, but he trusted in himself that he was righteous, he boasted of all his good works. This is exactly what is shown in Matthew 7 as well.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Again, these persons are not atheists, in fact, it is emphasized that they call Jesus "Lord, Lord" twice. These are Lordship salvationists if ever there was one. They trusted in themselves they were righteous like the Pharisee in Luke 18, they boasted that they prophesied in Jesus' name, cast out devils in his name, and did many "wonderful works" in Jesus name.
These folks believed in God, and they believed in their own works. These were not saved. It is no mystery, it is clearly shown.
The publican made no boasts. He confessed he was a sinner and cast himself completely on the mercy of God. He was saved. -
Luk 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
The Pharisee was no atheist, he truly believed in God, but he trusted in himself that he was righteous, he boasted of all his good works. This is exactly what is shown in Matthew 7 as well.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Again, these persons are not atheists, in fact, it is emphasized that they call Jesus "Lord, Lord" twice. These are Lordship salvationists if ever there was one. They trusted in themselves they were righteous like the Pharisee in Luke 18, they boasted that they prophesied in Jesus' name, cast out devils in his name, and did many "wonderful works" in Jesus name.
These folks believed in God, but they trusted in their own righteousness and works. These were not saved. It is no mystery, it is clearly shown.
The publican made no boasts. He confessed he was a sinner and cast himself completely on the mercy of God. He was saved. -
Great analysis WM, there is so much more also in this passage of scripture which stands out to me.
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