I'm not going to get involved in a long discussion where you seek to justify the errors of "Spirit Christology," or simple errors like making Christ assume the role of Satan.
You need to recognize that you are going to an extreme in regards to Christ's humanity, and that is the result of your fascination with Spirit Christology.
If you want to create false arguments and then address them, great, but start a thread. If you address my posts please address what I have said, not what you want to think I believe.
The bottom line is that Christ was God manifest in the flesh, fully God, fully human, and that He was sinless is just a fact known to God before the world was formed. The Redemptive Plan demanded a sinless man, and the only way that could take place was for God to assume humanity and to die in the stead of the sinner.
Please consider some of the points raised in the previous posts. And don't get upset with me, I'm just trying to help you, it isn't a witch hunt.
God bless.
How Did the Fall of Adam Affect the Lord Jesus?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Feb 17, 2018.
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HeirofSalvation Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
O.K. Darrell:
Here's the deal, we are obviously talking quite passed one another.
You seem to have it in your head that I am WAY WAY off the track of Orthodoxy, and don't know the difference between the Son of God and Satan..... and it is up to you to defend the absolute basic essentials of the Faith.
Perhaps it's because I have not expressed myself well, and that's quite possibly my fault.
But we are not even able to have a reasonable discussion.
You have your Theological dander up and see only egregious forms of heresy which must be addressed.
I affirm the same fundamental confessional Chalcedonian Christology that any Christian does which affirms that Christ was Truly God and Truly man.
It's clear from some of your responses to my statements that I am being misunderstood.
I am thankful for your desire to defend Orthodox Christology and the true Divinity of Christ...............
As I do, and always have:
But, we are not communicating here, and I don't think we'll be able to even if we try.
God bless you and have a great day :) -
HeirofSalvation Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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And so you would not see the sin nature as being passed unto us after the Fall, correct?
We are all born into sin, so if Jesus was the same nature as all of us, was he a sinner? -
For that matter, what verse says that Adam was "spiritually alive" to begin with?
What verse says a "sin nature" that was different from Adams human nature when he decided to sin was passed on to us?
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HeirofSalvation Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I think there's a Psychology to it as well.
Subconsciously, many are petrified of erring on the side of minimizing Christ's Divinity, and rightly so.
Many are probably subconsciously willing to purchase Christ's Divinity at the expense of his humanity because they don't particularly fear erring on that level. It is thought of like scales in a laboratory...
The more human he is, the less Divine
The more Divine he is, the less he can truly be human.
Thus, most default to denying humanity.......
I mean that's not REALLY, REALLY a heresy right?? It feels, safer somehow.
Many gloss over John's severe warning, which is clearly a warning against the growing influence of Gnosticism:
1Jo 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jo 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Denying Christ's real humanity makes his sacrificial death of no account:
God didn't pay the price for man's sin.
Man must pay the price for man's sin.
Adam owes the debt, man does, not God.
Hence the God-man.
Whatever our view, the Scriptures insist we do not purchase either one at the expense of the other.
Which is why I don't particularly care for thinking in terms of "natures" one Divine, one human, all subsisting in one being. While not itself heretical, it's just unnecessary and confusing.
It is a uniquely Westernized set of categories that aren't really assumed in Scripture.
We've over-thought the issue.
We don't have to think in terms of these two distinct and contradictory "natures" in perpetual competition struggling at any given moment for dominance:
What happens is, whenever Christ is tired, hungry, chilled, hot, bored or sick......(or praying that the cup would pass from him because he doesn't want to be tortured to death) it's his "human nature" in play...
But, whenever it comes to anything of moral significance, (like actually being obedient unto death in accordance with the Father's will) his Divine Side steps in and takes control pushing his humanity aside. I don't buy it. -
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Dead in Adams sin and transgression? No -
Is Jesus's divine nature simply a bent or disposition toward Divine things? Or is his divine nature the essence of his being? -
I've said before that scripture tells us plainly that in the incarnation - everything that God is, clothed Himself in everything that we are. Without static. A true hypostasis -
He most certainly was born something you are not. (And am I glad. We would certainly be dying in our sins.)
His body was made for Him for the suffering of death, (though death could not hold him and was raised by the power of an endless life) and to be touched with the feeling of our physical weaknesses, not our moral weaknesses.
Jesus is incorruptible. He could not, cannot and can never sin. -
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