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How did you come to believe?
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Thomas Helwys, Aug 31, 2013.
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Zenas, you should note that the quote DHK provides does not necessarily mean that infants who die are redeemed or go to heaven. It could just as easily be interpreted that David was speaking of the grave rather than being united in paradise with his son.
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He believed he would see his child in paradise (our equivalent of heaven).
Those who who reach an age of accountability have a choice to make.
Like every other person on this earth, they must either receive Christ or reject him.
Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes unto the Father but by me."
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That was then, at that time, in that circumstance.
As long as we are clear that it is God that chooses what is the "age of accountability" and not you or I, then I can answer your question. We must agree on that one point.
Having agreed on that point, yes; a person who has reached the age of accountability will go to hell for he will be held accountable for not receiving Christ as his savior. -
So, doesn't this make for a very dangerous gap of time? After reaching the age of accountability, before getting saved? Whatever period in a person's life this is, and for all but the mentally handicapped it starts at a young age, it is a time when that person dies he/she will go to hell. Seems like a very dangerous part of one's life, especially for the unsuspecting child who has believed in Jesus as long as he can remember, who has loved and trusted Jesus as long as he can remember, but has not had that “born again” experience. -
But if you don't know then you are in danger of your own salvation.
The Bible distinctly says:
"Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith."
Are you in the faith or not? If so, when did you come "into the faith."
Did you get married? When? When did you become part of the bride of Christ? How can you not remember such a momentous event?
A father and mother remember the birth of a child.
The Bible says "You must be born again." That happens to an adult when he is regenerated by the Spirit of God. Believe me; he knows when it takes place. Just as much as one knows when he gets married one knows when he is born again. How can he not know? Do you get married by proxy or some silly thing?
Being saved; born again; is the greatest even of a person's life.
Yes God knows it; but you know it too. And if you don't know it, then I question your salvation.
Examine yourself to see whether you are in the faith.
One must have a personal relationship with the Lord. If they do, then it had to start somewhere. Small children don't have that relationship for it comes by faith. It had to start somewhere. If you want to start another thread on the age of accountability, etc. then do. But that is not the topic of this thread. You are derailing this thread by going in that direction.
The question is:
How did you come to believe? -
Answering as a calvinist here!
God chooses, elects thom whom will be saved by the Cross of Christ, so all children part of that election will be saved, reagrdless of age...
Some say JUST the children of saved parents will be elect, but my understanding is that God elected all under that age to be saved by the Cross, and those special cases such as mentally challenged peoples... -
The one he chooses to go to heaven.
The other he tells them to go to hell.
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What your saying here is an attempt to soften the blow presented by Calvinism. If Calvinism is true, then there must be millions of children who are not Elect from birth, just like the claim towards adults. -
It is a simple question, and one which I enjoy reading the answers to:
The question is:
How did you come to believe? -
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; )
So, instead of believing that men are made upright but willingly choose to sin when they are older (Ecc 7:29), folks invent all sorts of unscriptural views that says God shows "special grace" to babies. Why would God do that if babies are truly wicked sinners like the rest of us?
They also claim that God saves babies without faith in Jesus, which completely goes against all scripture.
Babies do not need to repent, babies are not lost.
Mat 18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
Luk 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Truth is, almost nobody sincerely believes Original Sin, this is why almost nobody believes little babies who die go to hell. Oh, they will give it lip service, because you are considered a heretic if you dare challenge OS, but in reality, almost no one except the most extreme Calvinists and Roman Catholics believe it.
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ALL deserve to go to hell, as we are sinners who choose to disobey God wilfully..
God decided from eternity part to redeem and save out for Himself a remnant of sinners, unto His glory..
seems that you are basing this upon human reasoning of what is to be considered "fair and right!" -
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So my question was....
"Do you mind God not choosing them for salvation and allowing them to be damned to hell for ever?"
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