And it ties that reigning to Jesus here upon the earth, not while in heaven!
How many here hold to Full preterism
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Mar 4, 2020.
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Reformed1689 Well-Known Member
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While the Revelation has its share of symbolism, it's easily interpreted, through other Scriptures, as well as Jesus or an angel's explaining some of it, such as in Rev. 17.
Speaking of Rev. 17, some prets are silly enough to believe the angel was deciphering the symbolism of the vision with MORE symbolism !
Sportzz Fanzz, symbolism in Scripture ALWAYS represents something literal ! Otherwise, men could make it mean anything they want. Some men try that, anyway.
And Jesus was speaking LITERALLY in Matt. 24 & Luke 21. The temple was destroyed & disassembled as he said, & the "days of vengeance" fell on that generation of Jews, as He said. No reason to believe that the rest won't occur, precisely as Jesus said! But it's obvious the rest of the events he then prophesied have NOT yet occurred ! And the prophesied events of the great trib, spelled out in Revelation have certainly not yet occurred, nor has Jesus' return, which will be seen by ALL. -
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Reformed1689 Well-Known Member
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Revelation is symbolic. It can't be taken literally. And, no one should attempt to take it literally. Revelation says a third of the stars were cast down to earth. If that were literal, the Earth would be completely destroyed. Yet, Revelation continues without notice of the Earth's destruction, nor any notice of the slightest physical damage from those billions and billions of stars cast down to Earth. Indeed, Revelation proceeds to treat the stars being thrown down as symbolic of Satan's angels being thrown down.
Further, the context of the stars being thrown down implies the events happened before Christ, not after Revelation was written. We are told that Satan, who was cast down with those fallen angels, has been "conquered" "by the blood of the Lamb." That lamb being slain is not a future event, don't you agree?
To answer your argument, I don't take Revelation to be speaking of physical damage. If I broke a fingernail, it would be worse physical destruction than most of what Revelation speaks of. -
Reformed1689 Well-Known Member
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Oh the joy of dismissing arguments that refute you by waving your hand with empty one-liners. -
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I suggest that the point of the OP is whether OT prophecy was fulfilled in & by the Lord Jesus Christ & the New Covenant Gospel, & the AD 70 destruction of those who rejected their Messiah & his New Covenant.
We can further study the language of NC prophecy in terms of similarly worded OC prophecy AND ITS FULFILMENT IN HISTORY.
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Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.”
It will be instructive to study all the occasions where "stars" appear in Scripture. Note how often "stars" is a reference to Israel. Note also where the references is to "angels" where in context Elders aka Gospel preachers are intended.
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How you reject the established Old Testament symbols and the obvious idiomatic nature of "coming on the clouds" when Jesus is speaking about about the destruction of Jerusalem?
The sermon Jesus delivered about about the Tribulation is all bout the destruction of the Temple that stood in Jesus' day. Futurism is indefensible and has no place in the Church.
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