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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Alan Gross, May 21, 2020.

  1. Alan Gross

    Alan Gross Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I just got one person to basically say, "Luther influenced more people than God", so it is that element of 'style' that I was most interested in.

    Thanks.
     
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    Well, could also say God used Luther to influence those people!
     
  3. Alan Gross

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    Israel was a goner, by then (1st Century), except the remnant and all of Spiritual Israel.

    Yep, I am saying the woman is The Lord's churches.

    She was there and fled into the wilderness, from the predecessors of, then the RCC, and then her daughters, until this day.

    There is certainly substantial history to show all that very clearly.

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    There is
     
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    except John describing the time during antichrist, and right before the second coming there!
     
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    Faith alone doesn't need to redefined or questioned what it means, it it clear what it means one only needs to look it up. Luther's writings on faith alone can be read to see what he meant. Faith alone does not do away with the need of repentance, or prayer or anything that is biblically taught. It is position that denies (accurately) that (our) works are needed for justification.

    Additionally, Trail of Blood is not accurate history but is an attempt to seperate Baptist churches from their "Roman" roots.
     
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    Luther and Calvin both were fighting for the truth that a lost sinner must have imputed to us the righteousness of Jesus in order to have us be saved!
     
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    Yes, and yet the element of "God Called Luther (& I (?) to 'reform Satan's church', so....who needs Jesus, or The Bible, or The Holy Spirit", is a grave mistake.
     
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    The New Testament writers were in The End Times, right before The Second Coming.

    I don't know of any 'time of The Anti-Christ' apart from the spirit of iniquity that was, also, already working at that time, during The First Century.
     
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    True.

    Perfectly wonderful.

    (Persecution of The Believers and The Lord's churches, by them, not so much, too terribly fine.

    I don't have a Luther or Calvin soapbox, but I do not see "God Called someone to 'reform' the Catholic church in The Bible, either.

    In my days, there have been practically zero references to Luther or Calvin that anyone has made, in churches, Bible College.

    Other than, on the board, here, where I have had to say to opponents of 'Calvinism' that "I have more against him than you do".

    That said, I will, for the first time ever, begin to look at something they have written, based on you saying, "Luther and Calvin both were fighting for the truth that a lost sinner must have imputed to us the righteousness of Jesus in order to have us be saved!"

    John Calvin justified killing his theological opponents with the Bible)

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    I am saying the woman is The Lord's churches.

    She was there and fled into the wilderness, from the predecessors of, then the RCC, and then her daughters, until this day.

    There is certainly substantial history to show all that very clearly.

    ...

    On the board, I have listed 20-25 false gospels.

    One, is "repeat after me".

    A.) You may think you can keep easy believism, by saying 'faith along' doesn't need to be defined(?)

    & B.) You may think you can dismiss Jesus and His Promise to His churches, to be "with them, until the end of the age(?)

    & C.) You may never study out what the Bible defines as a 'church'.

    If you are sure that that is what you want to do.
     
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    Calvinism is not 'Bible-ism'.

    The Bible, God the Father, God the Son, & The Holy Spirit came sometime before he and Luther.

    By going by The Bible, instead of starting my learning perspective about Christianity in the 16th-17th Century, puts me at odds with practically everyone on a Baptist Forum.

    I'm not sure that needs to be that way.
     
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    Not in my life he hasn't.
    That place is reserved for the Lord.;)

    On the lives of others who follow the teachings of men?
    I would say that Luther probably influenced more people in his day than the Lord did in Israel before He went to the cross.

    But across the whole of time, I would say that Jesus Christ has more influence than Martin Luther. :)
    God's children are more than can be numbered ( Revelation 7:9 ).
     
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    Greater works? Presently seated with Christ as his body on David's throne in Jerusalem above, ruling the nations with a rod of iron as a full-fledged member of the Kingdom of God?
     
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    How much more influence do you think Luther has been than Jesus?

    Probably a little too much (and this can be said about any such leader). God used him nonetheless.
     
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    I think that question is completely and totally stupid.
     
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    Second Coming still future event!
     
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    God still has His own even in Rome, correct?
     
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    Woman is Israel, as she gave birth to the Messiah!
     
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    God sent the reformation!
     
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    Particular Baptists and reformed baptists trace their theology right to the Bible, which was the paujline Justification of the reformation!
     
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