How Strongly Do You Hold to Your Doctrinal Beliefs?

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  1. Van Well-Known Member
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    Anyone can post generalities, such as the entire bible supports my view and precludes yours. But the practice simply wastes words, and provides no edification.
     
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    Romans 8,9 and 11, Gospel of John 1-:13 for specifics!
     
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    Yet another denial of James 2:5! And a denial that if God credits our faith as righteousness, He puts us in Christ.
     
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    All those references support my view and preclude your view.
     
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    Really? John said that our salvation was based ONLY upon the will of God, not of man, and Paul supported the concept of election based upon will of God, nor our faith!
     
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    Jesus is the righteous One, and we place faith in Him, and that is God reckoning to us the merits of His work done on the Cross for our behalf! Even that faith is a gift from God to us!
     
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    No.
     
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    God's will is to choose those whose faith He credits as righteousness.
     
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    Utter nonsense Read Romans 4:4-5, and Romans 4:23-24.
     
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    Anyone can say God's word does not mean what it says, and add words to make it say what man-made doctrine claims. Of course the concern would be they might believe in themselves, rather than in God's word.
     
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    And the denial of scripture continues. Folks, this is all they have, denial after denial. Read Romans 4:4-5, and Romans 4:23-24.
     
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    You mean like adding the word "yet"?
     
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    That's not a denial, you just cherry pick verses and ignore whole passages.
     
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    What credits a lost sinner in the sight of God is the work and person of Jesus on their behalf, period!
     
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    Same paul disagrees with you, see Romans 8!
     
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    Before Peter told Cornelius and family about Christ, God gave to Peter a vision, in the vision were these unclean animals That God told Peter he could eat, Peter kept saying no, but God was saying like this,

    Peter’s Vision
    9 The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about [e]the sixth hour. 10 Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance 11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”
    14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”
    15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call common.” 16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.

    God was signifying to Peter that these people will believe the message as God had cleansed them, they have been regenerated, made clean by the Word spiritually on their inside born of God as newborn babes and are ready to receive the things of God. Refer to Luke 10:21-22

    You must be born again first, then you can enter the kingdom of God. After we believe we are sealed by the Holy Spirit uno the Day of redemption of the purchased possession. The sealing comes after we believe, but the being born again is what God does first.
     
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    Anyone can make and repeat false charges. But scripture is there for all to read and accept. Folks, this is all they have, denial after denial. Read Romans 4:4-5, and Romans 4:23-24.
     
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    Just read Romans 4:4-5 and see if God credited Abraham's faith as righteousness. Just read it, there folks simply deny scripture.
     
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    Nobody is questioning that God credited faith as righteousness. But where did that faith come from?