You take that Scripture out of context and totally ingnore verse 11
But such were some of you
Those were the sins of the unsaved. And those sins are covered by the blood. And if they are committed again in the future they are still covered by the blood. The difference is: in the past they were a way of life. In the future a believer may lapse into sin because he is not perfect. Again and again I see you people (including Bob) take this Scripture out of context. Jesus doesn't have the same list. Why not? There are other lists in the Bible. Are any of them comprehensive? What list contains the sin of pedophilia? Which sin in our society carries the greater penalty: pedophilia or adultery? Why isn't pedophilia mentioned?
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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Lacy Evans, Aug 8, 2007.
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#2. Did Paul ever say he would be disqualified from entering the Kingdom?
#3. Did Paul ever say he would be disqualified from entering into heaven?
#4. What did Paul say he would be disqualified from? And what did that pertain to?
Instead of confining yourself to those wicked sins of 1Cor.6 (which don't even apply to the believer), why not look elsewhere and see what Jesus condemns:
Matthew 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for ye pay tithes of mint and anise and cummin, and ye have left aside the weightier matters of the law, judgment and mercy and faith: these ye ought to have done and not have left those aside.
Much of the Gospel of Matthew speaks of the Kingdom for it is directed to a Jewish audience and presents Christ as the Messiah, the King of the Jews. His condemnation of them is that they omitted justice, mercy and faith--things that in the sight of Christ were far worse than the sin of adultery which he freely forgave (the adulterous woman), and gave her a gentle rebuke to go and do it no more.
But your condemnation is based on the law. You judge people yourself, instead of leaving judgement up to God. You have already consigned people either to Hell or to 1000 years of Hell according to your own system of works. Commit adltery and be condemned you say.
But Christ put far greater importance on justice mercy and faith. He said if a person didn't have these he was cursed!! "Woe unto them..." -
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Lacy Evans said:DHK said:#1. Did Paul ever say he would be disqualified by committing a specific sin?Lots of times. 1 Cor 6, Gal 5, Eph 5
Lots of times.
1 Cor 9:27, 2 Cor 5:9-11, Phil 3:11-15, Heb 4:11
If by heaven, you mean the new heaven and earth, then absolutely not.
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DHK said:Lacy Evans said:DHK said:#1. Did Paul ever say he would be disqualified by committing a specific sin? The Bible says "There is no God." Lacy. (Psalm 14:1). A bunch of references out of context are meaningless. When you say "see context," I am sure that you mean "See MY CONTEXT" (i.e. Lacy's context). If you provide the verse, then you provide the entire verse with its context and explanation in answer to my question. In actual fact you have not answered a single question that I have asked you.Click to expand...Click to expand...Click to expand...
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Lacy Evans said:DHK said:Lacy Evans said:So in other words the questions were rhetorical and you weren't really wanting an answer?Click to expand...Click to expand...Click to expand...
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DHK said:Lacy Evans said:DHK said:No, the questions were real. Must I explain it again. In the Other Denominations forum I debated with a COC (Church of Christ). If I asked him a question he would answer by giving a string of 12 to 20 references. Lacy I am not going to spend my time looking up all your references. If you can't post a verse or two and explain how it refutes or answers my question, I will assume that you can't answer the question that I asked of you.Click to expand...
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Lacy Evans said:DHK said:Lacy Evans said:Instaverse!
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DHK said:Lacy Evans said:DHK said:No, it is about you rightly dividing the word of truth. You believe in ME. Apparently you are unable to defend you position. It is a bogus doctrine which you are unable to answer questions about. You have proved my point well.Click to expand...
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Lacy Evans said:DHK said:Lacy Evans said:Dude! Instaverse is awesome! You just hover your mouse over the reference and Kapow!!! the verse pops up. If your problem was saving time, then Instaverse solves it. It works on web sites, word documents, power point documents, etc.
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Lacy Evans said:DHK said:Lacy Evans said:I highly recommend it.Click to expand...
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DHK said:You take that Scripture out of context and totally ingnore verse 11
But such were some of you
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What were the rest of them?
Those were the sins of the unsaved. And those sins are covered by the blood. And if they are committed again in the future they are still covered by the blood. The difference is: in the past they were a way of life. In the future a believer may lapse into sin because he is not perfect. Again and again I see you people (including Bob) take this Scripture out of context. Jesus doesn't have the same list. Why not? There are other lists in the Bible. Are any of them comprehensive? What list contains the sin of pedophilia? Which sin in our society carries the greater penalty: pedophilia or adultery? Why isn't pedophilia mentioned?Click to expand...
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. -
James_Newman said:[/b]What were the rest of them?Click to expand...
Galatians 5:21
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.Click to expand...
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DHK said:James there is only person in our church that I know of that could be considered a drunkard in his life before he was saved, and there is not anyone that was a murderer. I doubt if anyone would fit the category of an "extortioner." Such were some of you. Not every one in the church had sordid backgrounds in their unsaved lifetimes. Some, from their childhood, were raised in Christian homes, as is today. Thus the phrase "such were some of you. Not all had sordid backgrounds. I think that is obvious.
Drunkeness, revelings, (pedophilia)...
Sorry James, that just doesn't fit the context of sins related to brawling and drunkeness. Those are not sexual sins.Click to expand...
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
What about covetous?
Romans 7:7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
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DHK said:Lacy Evans said:DHK said:I am not interested in programs for looking up Scripture. I have my own.Click to expand...
I think you're just being crotchety, like having a civil conversation with a Christian brother who disagrees wit you doctrinally is somehow a concession of defeat. You don't even have to look them up. You just float your mouse over the reference, and it pops up. If it would make any difference, I'd post every verse with extended commentary, then I'd probably get rebuked by the moderators for posts that are too lengthy.
It's just whatever man.
I have many of those Scriptures memorized anyway.Click to expand...
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But they don't answer the questions.Click to expand...
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DHK said:Drunkeness, revelings, (pedophilia)...
Sorry James, that just doesn't fit the context of sins related to brawling and drunkeness. Those are not sexual sins.Click to expand...
Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. -
James_Newman said:1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
What about covetous?
Romans 7:7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
If someone can't find a sin on that list that applies to them, what were they saved from?Click to expand...
He came to save us from our sins, in particular to pay the penalty for our sins. That penalty was paid with price of his own blood. All my sins: past present and future were paid for with the precious blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. That is what the atonement is all about. Christ came to pay a penalty that I could never pay. I can't pay the penalty for my sin: not in a Catholic purgatory or a Baptiat one.
Jesus paid it all;
all to him I owe.
Sin had left a crimson stain.
He washed it white as snow.
He has paid the penalty that I will never have to pay. All sin is the same.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
There is no difference between the sin of coveting, lying, murder, and adultery.
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DHK said:Answer the question: Why did Jesus die?
He came to save us from our sins, in particular to pay the penalty for our sins. That penalty was paid with price of his own blood. All my sins: past present and future were paid for with the precious blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. That is what the atonement is all about. Christ came to pay a penalty that I could never pay. I can't pay the penalty for my sin: not in a Catholic purgatory or a Baptiat one.
Jesus paid it all;
all to him I owe.
Sin had left a crimson stain.
He washed it white as snow.
He has paid the penalty that I will never have to pay. All sin is the same.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
There is no difference between the sin of coveting, lying, murder, and adultery.
They are all a transgression of God's law (1John 3:4), and they all draw the same condemnation, although the consequences on this earth may be different.Click to expand... -
James_Newman said:You answered your own question.Click to expand...
Here is your question: What were they saved from?
My concise answer (with extended explanation) was simply this:
They were saved from the penalty of sin!
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